Re: [Zope] status of SOAP for Zope?
On Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:20:38 -0400, "Brian Lloyd" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a very important point - I think people would rather be able to implement SOAP services selectively rather than by One Big Switch that may expose just about anything. I would very much like to see a project started on dev.zope.org that starts off by drafting a "user manual" that describes how SOAP services would be implemented from the standpoint of a Zope developer. This would give us a good way to come to agreement without worrying about code just yet. Ive been considering this point of view over the weekend, and I think I disagree. Zope already has a perfectly good definition of 'web service' - the definition used by ZPublisher and the xml-rpc implementation (and FTP, to a lesser extent). Developing Zope services already involves enough detail - An extra layer of abstraction here is undesirable. I suspect many people using xml-rpc are, like me, not completely satisfied with its feature set. Id been looking to soap to fill these holes, and I would be disappointed if soap wasnt implemented in the same way. Some attention should be given to how SOAP services get exposed by other systems at this point (they do *not* just suddenly expose every in-memory object to SOAP). And that's plainly not the case for Petru Paler's soap implementation - he only exposes the same objects and methods exposed by ZPublisher. There are a number of people who have recently voiced their (legitimate) concern that by default *practically everything* on their site is xml-rpc enabled Those people were concerned that too many things were exposed via ZPublisher also My interpretation was that the issue is one of access control, not publishing protocol. Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] status of SOAP for Zope?
Okay, has anything been done at all? Where would I start? What's left to do? Petru Paler contributed some preliminary work: http://classic.zope.org:8080/Collector/1360/view While I think that this is a good thing and I'm glad he did it, I think that experience has shown that just suddenly making *everything* available via a new protocol (xml-rpc, SOAP) is not really the right approach. There are a number of people who have recently voiced their (legitimate) concern that by default *practically everything* on their site is xml-rpc enabled - and they have no easy way to turn it off or make things selectively available. This is a very important point - I think people would rather be able to implement SOAP services selectively rather than by One Big Switch that may expose just about anything. I would very much like to see a project started on dev.zope.org that starts off by drafting a "user manual" that describes how SOAP services would be implemented from the standpoint of a Zope developer. This would give us a good way to come to agreement without worrying about code just yet. Some attention should be given to how SOAP services get exposed by other systems at this point (they do *not* just suddenly expose every in-memory object to SOAP). We should also anticipate some of the work being done in "discoverability" of SOAP services in our draft (which I think will affect how you go about "defining" a Web service. Brian Lloyd[EMAIL PROTECTED] Software Engineer 540.371.6909 Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] status of SOAP for Zope?
MS has released ROPE for client-side SOAP development (finally). I can't seem to find anything in Zope for doing SOAP, but it was announced in Dec 1999 as "upcoming". What is the status of SOAP on Zope, I need to know if I can use ROPE.. Brad Clements,[EMAIL PROTECTED] (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com AOL-IM: BKClements ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] status of SOAP for Zope?
MS has released ROPE for client-side SOAP development (finally). I can't seem to find anything in Zope for doing SOAP, but it was announced in Dec 1999 as "upcoming". What is the status of SOAP on Zope, I need to know if I can use ROPE.. Hi Brad - SOAP is still something we want to do, but it is on hold right now (we just don't have the resources at the moment). I've been hoping that someone might take the lead and start a project on dev.zope.org, but so far that hasn't happened :( Brian Lloyd[EMAIL PROTECTED] Software Engineer 540.371.6909 Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] status of SOAP for Zope?
Okay, has anything been done at all? Where would I start? What's left to do? Brad Clements,[EMAIL PROTECTED] (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com AOL-IM: BKClements ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] status of SOAP for Zope?
Brian Lloyd wrote: MS has released ROPE for client-side SOAP development (finally). I can't seem to find anything in Zope for doing SOAP, but it was announced in Dec 1999 as "upcoming". What is the status of SOAP on Zope, I need to know if I can use ROPE.. Hi Brad - SOAP is still something we want to do, but it is on hold right now (we just don't have the resources at the moment). I've been hoping that someone might take the lead and start a project on dev.zope.org, but so far that hasn't happened :( Take a look at: http://classic.zope.org:8080/Collector/1360/view I remember glancing at it for a bit, it might be a good start to at least get it to the same level of support as xml-rpc. -Michel ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] status of SOAP for Zope?
On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 01:25:44PM -0700, Michel Pelletier wrote: What is the status of SOAP on Zope, I need to know if I can use ROPE.. Hi Brad - SOAP is still something we want to do, but it is on hold right now (we just don't have the resources at the moment). I've been hoping that someone might take the lead and start a project on dev.zope.org, but so far that hasn't happened :( Take a look at: http://classic.zope.org:8080/Collector/1360/view I remember glancing at it for a bit, it might be a good start to at least get it to the same level of support as xml-rpc. Glad to see that people finally show some interest in that :) That patch was the result of a long night, but I'm sure it can be gotten to work properly (right now I think it has problems with exception handling). -- Petru Paler, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ppetru.net - ICQ: 41817235 ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
