Re: [Zope] user contributions to Zope.org
[As per ethan's request, i'm following up to zope-web, and set the reply-to to zope-web, so the conversation continues there.] Graham Chiu wrote: > This has been mentioned before, but some sites like the main PHP one > allow visitors to add comments to web pages. > > My thought was that this should be relatively easy to implement with the > Zope.org site. A small form at the bottom of each page, URL0 indexed in > a SQL table, and when a page is accessed, commentary is returned ordered > by submission date. > > You may wish to allow only members rather visitors to make comments. > > Anything wrong with this scenario ( apart from comments not being > Catalogued ) ? I think this is a great idea - i think being able to put the right things in just the right places is critical for scalable collaboration, and often the right place for comments and dialogues about a page are attached to the page. The hard part in achieving this, to me, is arranging for reasonably organization of the commentary - so it doesn't clutter the original page, and so the accumulation has some kind of useful internal relationships. I don't think that's been adequately solved, yet. Weblogs provide some organizational features - threading, moderation filters, etc - but they still wind up being way too haphazard for my tastes. (I, for one, hardly ever find slashdot discussions to be worth much, despite careful exercise of moderation thresholds.) I think wikis' easy editing, linkability, etc, along with my nesting additions, may provide a basis for something better - but there would need to be some mroe imposition of structuring. Just reediting other peoples stuff, even with the best of intentions *and* version history for differencing, is too haphazard. I just saw something very cool from ka-ping yee (a really smart python guy) for external annotation of web pages: http://crit.org/ that may be the kind of thing we'd need. I imagine an addition to structured text, and dtml, for explicit annotation markup: - structured text could have stuff like [+annotation text>content text<+] - which yields dtml like: annotation textcontent text which yields markup like: content text (where the images are little annotation begin/end arrow glyphs). The idea is that the alt-text conveys the contents of the comments, with the glyphs indicating the class - comment, support, concern, question, etc. The annotations/commentx would be a document in its own right - wiki-like - where discussion of the annotation - with it's *own* annotations - could grow. And for implicit annotation, with annotation separate from the target text zope text documents (dtml methods and documents, wiki pages, other derivatives) would all provide annotation features similar to what the crit.org mediator site does, but without requiring the separate mediator site... (I don't know how many of you are familiar with talmudic scholarship, or marginalia in ancient chinese medicine, eg [...quick google search...] the yellow emporer's Nei Jing - both texts have layers and layers of crucial commentary, gradually retained and accumulated across millenia. The trick, in this modern age, will be in getting more, um, immediate, self-organization) Ken Manheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] user contributions to Zope.org
Grahm, We're definitely going to have things that are more like this. We are definately going to allow you to "hook" your members items into different parts of zope.org and even, possibly, allowing people who use the built-in help of zope.2.2 to see your howto. There's going to be more discussion, and action, in the zope-web mailing list: http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web I'd really appreciate it if further suggestions & discussion along these lines occurred there. Thanks for your input, ethan mindlace fremen Zopatista Community Liason ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] user contributions to Zope.org
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Shane Hathaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >Not to put down your idea, but in what way is this not addressed? Because you can comment directly on the object in question - Eg. point out some Zope Zen, or errors in products etc. >There are already free accounts for everyone to submit their own >content (not just comments, but anything that can be put in a member >folder) and access to wikis for everyone. > Rule of thumb - 3 clicks to anywhere in a web site. And, how would I redirect a user to my commentary when they were at User XYZ's product page? >For a site devoted to advancement of a product, aren't wikis more >useful than comment pages? Quite disorganised. I've left comments on people's wikis and a month later, nada. Now, if you were to make a Wiki page that attached to the bottom of the relevant page, then that would be better. > >New ideas are, of course, encouraged. > I'll don my thinking cap! - -- Regards, Graham Chiu gchiucompkarori.co.nz http://www.compkarori.co.nz/index.php Powered by Interbase and Zope -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOT+MLrTRdIWzaLpMEQKt8ACgjk6R4h2dVRlCuV+HBIh7OWQ5bBgAoK4K M6yBTgzUP9ptkaIIe79Rk7Rt =K73y -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] user contributions to Zope.org
Graham Chiu wrote: > This has been mentioned before, but some sites like the main PHP one > allow visitors to add comments to web pages. > > My thought was that this should be relatively easy to implement with the > Zope.org site. A small form at the bottom of each page, URL0 indexed in > a SQL table, and when a page is accessed, commentary is returned ordered > by submission date. > > You may wish to allow only members rather visitors to make comments. > > Anything wrong with this scenario ( apart from comments not being > Catalogued ) ? Not to put down your idea, but in what way is this not addressed? There are already free accounts for everyone to submit their own content (not just comments, but anything that can be put in a member folder) and access to wikis for everyone. For a site devoted to advancement of a product, aren't wikis more useful than comment pages? New ideas are, of course, encouraged. Shane ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] user contributions to Zope.org
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This has been mentioned before, but some sites like the main PHP one allow visitors to add comments to web pages. My thought was that this should be relatively easy to implement with the Zope.org site. A small form at the bottom of each page, URL0 indexed in a SQL table, and when a page is accessed, commentary is returned ordered by submission date. You may wish to allow only members rather visitors to make comments. Anything wrong with this scenario ( apart from comments not being Catalogued ) ? - -- Regards, Graham Chiu gchiucompkarori.co.nz http://www.compkarori.co.nz/index.php Powered by Interbase and Zope -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOT9hrLTRdIWzaLpMEQLFfwCdFcoOFImah9VotLJuCGOw12KxIEkAn2+5 Cdhy/TF81iDBrBgC1l8Ao6Lb =oVHM -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
