Re: [Zope] Building a Zope based site
John Poltorak wrote: Any chance to provide specific information about what you want? Building a Zope based site is like I am want to buy a car. How much does it cost?Anwser: a lot. Actually I can buy a car pretty cheaply ;-)... In that case, I would suggest that Zope is not for you, maybe something php based? cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Building a Zope based site
John Poltorak wrote at 2006-12-15 18:13 +: ... #hours required * hour-rate OK, so what hourly rate should I expect to pay? and how does anyone know how much time it will take? I'm thinking of getting something setup which would mirror a small weekly newspaper. When I worked for a newspaper about 7 years ago, we implemented something like this (internet based editorial system for a magazine with internet presentation of the magazine editions) within 2 weeks with 2 to 3 persons assigned to the project -- i.e. with about 24 person days or 200 person hours. *However*, the project conditions have been optimal: The requester (a new chief of a partner department) had a very well founded technical understanding of what he wanted and what wishes might be expensive and used this understanding to strive for an easy solution. He was quick to take decisions and took the decisions always along the start simple, grow later principle. Under less optimal conditions, the solution could easily have been *much* more expensive! Note that this was an internal project. Your priorities and approaches may be different for a project with external consultants. -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Building a Zope based site
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - --On 17. Dezember 2006 10:21:20 +0100 Dieter Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Poltorak wrote at 2006-12-15 18:13 +: ... # hours required * hour-rate OK, so what hourly rate should I expect to pay? and how does anyone know how much time it will take? I'm thinking of getting something setup which would mirror a small weekly newspaper. When I worked for a newspaper about 7 years ago, we implemented something like this (internet based editorial system for a magazine with internet presentation of the magazine editions) within 2 weeks with 2 to 3 persons assigned to the project -- i.e. with about 24 person days or 200 person hours. *However*, the project conditions have been optimal: ..and the times have changed: we now have different technologies and different requirements. So such numbers - without knowing about the requirements - are dust and smoke. - -aj -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFhQ6rCJIWIbr9KYwRAlMqAKDM+M+rjyB/mrP8NnYW3ufC3ZMnFQCgoW0w ETGFpnDqJyHNzbyFwsU+fOQ= =dMzx -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Building a Zope based site
Andreas Jung wrote at 2006-12-17 10:32 +0100: ... When I worked for a newspaper about 7 years ago, we implemented something like this (internet based editorial system for a magazine with internet presentation of the magazine editions) within 2 weeks with 2 to 3 persons assigned to the project -- i.e. with about 24 person days or 200 person hours. *However*, the project conditions have been optimal: ..and the times have changed: we now have different technologies which may reduce the required time -- otherwise, you simply forget about the new technologies and stick with the old ones. and different requirements. Maybe. So such numbers - without knowing about the requirements - are dust and smoke. Looks like you think a bit too much in black and white categories: Even when I do not know many details, I can still provide some hints. To stay with your car example: When I hear that someone wants a new car, I can predict that he will probably at least need 3.000 dollars even when he did not yet specify precise details about the wanted car. Of course, if his car should win the Formular One competition, this will quickly get 30 million dollars. -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Building a Zope based site
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - --On 17. Dezember 2006 11:10:42 +0100 Dieter Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like you think a bit too much in black and white categories: Even when I do not know many details, I can still provide some hints. No, it's just about people asking general question with the expectation getting a very detailed answer without providing at least simple detail about what they really want *wink to John*. The quality of an answer simply reflects the quality of the question. - -aj -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFhRqyCJIWIbr9KYwRAsqMAJsFXTFDpZ6jbwxs29XJpDMmDAWX6gCgzXGA hQb5yWPEsMMjnkBwm7a9+n0= =q3EH -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Building a Zope based site
(Fri, Dec 15, 2006 at 12:23:09PM +) John Poltorak wrote/schrieb/egrapse: How much do people charge for building a Zope based site? That of course depends on what exactly you need :-) I've given up on trying to understand Zope myself as it's just too difficult, but suspect it can provide more functionality than other CMS systems. Of course you are aware that Zope is *not* a CMS system. It's an application server. You can install a ready-made CMS on Zope or you can build your own with it. IMHO the easiest CMS on Zope is a ZWiki, see for some examples: http://nautica.demo.zwiki.org http://papakiteliatziar.gr http://thinkubator.ccsp.sfu.ca Regards, Sascha ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Building a Zope based site
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - --On 15. Dezember 2006 18:13:19 + John Poltorak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Dec 15, 2006 at 01:50:32PM +0100, Andreas Jung wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - --On 15. Dezember 2006 12:23:09 + John Poltorak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much do people charge for building a Zope based site? # hours required * hour-rate OK, so what hourly rate should I expect to pay? and how does anyone know how much time it will take? I'm thinking of getting something setup which would mirror a small weekly newspaper. If you want a serious anser, you should be serious. No serious consultant will give you an estimate for a small weekly newspaper. Go and write a detailed description of your requirements and someone might be interested in looking into your issue. My price for a small weekly newspaper: 1 million Euro .-) - -aj -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFgugnCJIWIbr9KYwRApbXAKDA8yCLrD/Kl04GjZ8c+y+YzU2ORgCfdOVN uROrzojJDdpwZ7Hv7R3ZgBw= =SCJU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
