Re: [Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-29 Thread Craig Allen
I must apologize in advance, I have not read the entire thread, but here's my answer to your question: So what do you folks think? My advice: be a benevolent despot. I started to get involved with ZDP many months ago, and proposed a structure for documentation, created a folder hierarchy to

Re: [Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-25 Thread J. Michael Mc Kay
al Message - From: "Chris Withers" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Jason Cunliffe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 4:47 PM Subject: [Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation Jason Cunliffe wrote: I rec

Re: [Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-25 Thread John Chandler
Based on the above figures, and assuming £500/day/person, it comes out as: £62,500 (roughly $100,000) ouch!Interesting.. .And if you write a book, how much will a publisher pay you [for example ORA 'Zope in a Nutshell']. ..and how many copies do you think ZIAN [Zope in a Nutshell]

[Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-25 Thread Rik Hoekstra
snip The ZDP has "only" got the aim to point to existing stuff. Restructuring the existing docs is not our job. Maybe it should be? How about rebuilding zope.org as a generic 'Zope Portal' with the building and documenting work being done more by the community? (ie: integrating ZDP and

Re: [Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-25 Thread Chris Withers
John Chandler wrote: ouch!Interesting.. .And if you write a book, how much will a publisher pay you [for example ORA 'Zope in a Nutshell']. ..and how many copies do you think ZIAN [Zope in a Nutshell] will sell ? Well, I for one would be at the front of the queue to buy a copy. In fact,

[Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-25 Thread Rik Hoekstra
-Original Message- From: Jerry Spicklemire [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: donderdag 25 mei 2000 1:11 Subject: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation (forwarded from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Jason Cunliffe wrote: Perhaps you have a better

RE: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-25 Thread Amos Latteier
I'm sorry, but I have to say, the ZOPE documentation, despite efforts to improve it, is absolutely, positively horrible. Not because the content isn't there, but because the tools to access it simply suck. I can type in searches on both zope.org and zdp.zope.org and though I KNOW the

Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread Chris Withers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry, but I have to say, the ZOPE documentation, despite efforts to improve it, is absolutely, positively horrible. Not because the content isn't there, but because the tools to access it simply suck. Gotta agree with this :( Additionally, the zdp web site is

[Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread Maik Roeder
Hi ! Chris Withers wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry, but I have to say, the ZOPE documentation, despite efforts to improve it, is absolutely, positively horrible. Not because the content isn't there, but because the tools to access it simply suck. Gotta agree with this :(

[Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread Jason Cunliffe
I reckon there's about 25 man weeks of work to do based on 5 people spending: -1 week to build the tools -1 week to plan the structure of the documentation -3 weeks to get ALL the Zope documentation linked in one place (which is what zdp is supposed to be...) So, has anyone got the cash?

[Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread Chris Withers
Jason Cunliffe wrote: I reckon there's about 25 man weeks of work to do based on 5 people spending: -1 week to build the tools -1 week to plan the structure of the documentation -3 weeks to get ALL the Zope documentation linked in one place (which is what zdp is supposed to be...)

Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread jiva
Thanks shane, I'll check it out! :) On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 05:12:36PM -0400, Shane Hathaway wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry, but I have to say, the ZOPE documentation, despite efforts to improve it, is absolutely, positively horrible. Not because the content isn't there,

Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread Jerry Spicklemire
Jason Cunliffe wrote: Perhaps you have a better crazier idea..I hope so:-) Maybe. I too have had problems with the ZDP stuff, but not specifically those mentioned by others in this thread. When I try to use the ZDP I am impressed by the effort and sheer volume of material, but unfortunately it

Re: [Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread Alan Shutko
Maik Roeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do think that the basic idea of offering different portals for different communities (Beginners, Developers and so on) is a bad idea ? What do you think about the organisation in Subjects/Topics ? Well, as a brand-spanking new user (or user wannabe, if I

Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread Michel Pelletier
Shane Hathaway wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry, but I have to say, the ZOPE documentation, despite efforts to improve it, is absolutely, positively horrible. Not because the content isn't there, but because the tools to access it simply suck. I can type in searches on

RE: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread Peter Marriott
I too was struggling to stay sane while coding in DTML, until I came across this little beauty from AlexR. http://www.zope.org/Members/AlexR/ZopeDocs He has combined Howto's and Tip's into PDF's, with nice contents pages and you can easily search PDF's. Hope this helps ! Peter Marriott

Re: [Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread mindlace
I posted this on ZDP but I thought I should put it here too. Chris Withers wrote: Maik Roeder wrote: The ZDP project has got another server than the main Zope site, and there are only a few spare time developers working on this site. If we could work together with Digital Creations and

Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread mindlace
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry, but I have to say, the ZOPE documentation, despite efforts to improve it, is absolutely, positively horrible. Not because the content isn't there, but because the tools to access it simply suck. I can type in searches on both zope.org and zdp.zope.org