Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
En/na Jens Vagelpohl ha escrit: The only issues you might ever run into would be problems with the Python that comes with the OS. But then again if you run Zope in production you should never ever use the system Python and build your own instead. The system Python tends to be compiled with weird flags on RH-based distros to suit their own needs for the many Python-based scripts they have in the OS. Don't use it, build your own. I agree with your opinion, but I have to add that yesterday (that's why I follow-up now to this old thread) I had to build python 2.3.5 on a shiny new x86_64 machine and it's been a bitch to get right. Luckily I found the patches in the (mandriva) rpm for 2.3.4 that solved (or at least it seems so) the issues with lib/lib64 (there are still a couple of tests failing but zope seems to run fine). Bye -- Luca Olivetti Wetron Automatización S.A. http://www.wetron.es/ Tel. +34 93 5883004 Fax +34 93 5883007 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
Can I humbly recommend that you don't reinvent the wheel and have a look at www.issuetrackerproduct.com It's really good for QA and general problem reporting. Thanks, I'll take a look at it right away. :) Regards, Harald ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
On 28 Oct 2005, at 08:03, Einar Næss Jensen wrote: doesn't seem to cause any trouble. So it stays. Just to remind me never to use redhat or rpms. How the bad RPMs you used make you blame RedHat as a whole isn't a jump I can follow... you should be blaming those people who packages the RPMs and not the whole distribution. jens ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
HaraldFinnås wrote: (snip) and I plan on writing a simple application for tracking Non-Conformaties, Incident Reports etc (QA related). Have you tried Trac ? -- bruno desthuilliers développeur [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.modulix.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
bruno desthuilliers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 28.10.2005 11:09:00: Have you tried Trac ? No, but now I will. It's listed as software development tracking so I've ignored it. :) Regards, Harald ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
On 28 Oct 2005, at 10:26, Einar Næss Jensen wrote: How the bad RPMs you used make you blame RedHat as a whole isn't a jump I can follow... you should be blaming those people who packages the RPMs and not the whole distribution. I'm sure Redhat works fine for many people in a lot of businesscritical solutions. I'm also sure Redhat is good at what they are doing. All I'm saying is: Redhat didn't work for us. Debian do. Also RPM didn't work for us, while instaling from source do. As i remember, redhat 9.0 introduced an error in one of the libraries which would cause the server to hang/reboot from time to time. Also we experienced a corrupt RPM database twice. Not fun at all. Now this may not be redhats fault, but we suffered from it nevertheless and gave an impression of redhat's not something we want. The library error in RH 9.0 was solved very quickly after its initial release. Updating the environment once in a while and reading the errata helps, and that's a general issue. The corrupt RPM database problem can be solved very quickly by either running the requisite BDB tools against it or blowing it away and rebuilding it from scratch. Debian is a great distribution, no doubt, but X works for us while Y does not is a misleading statement that creates wrong impressions. It's not RedHat's fault that you weren't up to speed on some of these things. jens ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
On 10/28/05, Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28 Oct 2005, at 10:26, Einar Næss Jensen wrote:Debian is a great distribution, no doubt, but X works for us while Ydoes not is a misleading statement that creates wrong impressions.It's not RedHat's fault that you weren't up to speed on some of these things.No. Probably not. We should have had quite another aproach to the new install of redhat 9.0 three years ago. The brokne rpm database we didn't manage to recover using the rpm-tools. As i remeber it, a lot of the packages installed software in places where other packages or sourcebased installs would not find it. I think also the up2date procedure with logging in and register your product etc was not what we wanted Also as I remember it, at about the same time Redhat anounced the end of life for several of its products and wanted us to use The new RedHat Enterprise.So there were several factors involved in the change, and probably it didn't have much to do with a bad product from RedHat. Still we dislike Redhat.I think I have written myself way off topic no, so i'll quit here.-- Einar Næss Jensenhttp://einar.nidelven-it.no/einarblog http://www.homemade.notlf: +47 90990249 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
Am Freitag, 28. Oktober 2005 11:33 schrieb HaraldFinnås: bruno desthuilliers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 28.10.2005 11:09:00: Have you tried Trac ? No, but now I will. It's listed as software development tracking so I've ignored it. :) you also might want to take a look at roundup (http://roundup.sourceforge.net/), if you prefer python. Cheers, Sascha -- Gallileus - the power of knowledge Gallileus GmbH http://www.gallileus.info/ Pintschstraße 16 fon +49-(0)30-41 93 43 43 10249 Berlin fax +49-(0)30-41 93 43 45 Germany ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
On 10/27/05, HaraldFinnås [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Depends on what you are going to use it for. So, tell us! :-) Not sure myself yet. :) There will certainly be a couple of Plone sites, and I plan on writing a simple application for tracking Non-Conformaties, Incident Reports etc (QA related). Can I humbly recommend that you don't reinvent the wheel and have a look at www.issuetrackerproduct.com It's really good for QA and general problem reporting. But based on the responses until now, I've already decided to go with 2.8. I also want to thank everyone who's responded to this thread, especially the OS related comments. :) Regards, Harald ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) -- Peter Bengtsson, work www.fry-it.com home www.peterbe.com hobby www.issuetrackerproduct.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
On 26 Oct 2005, at 21:43, HaraldFinnås wrote: I've also seen comments that running Zope on RHEL/CentOS might not be wise. My test env. is using FC4, but I'm planning to install CenOS 4.2 on the production server. Unwise choice? I'd be curious to find out who says something like that. It's BS. Zope runs perfectly fine on all RHEL-based distributions. The only issues you might ever run into would be problems with the Python that comes with the OS. But then again if you run Zope in production you should never ever use the system Python and build your own instead. The system Python tends to be compiled with weird flags on RH-based distros to suit their own needs for the many Python-based scripts they have in the OS. Don't use it, build your own. jens ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 26 Oct 2005, at 21:43, HaraldFinnås wrote: I've also seen comments that running Zope on RHEL/CentOS might not be wise. My test env. is using FC4, but I'm planning to install CenOS 4.2 on the production server. Unwise choice? I'd be curious to find out who says something like that. It's BS. Zope runs perfectly fine on all RHEL-based distributions. The only issues you might ever run into would be problems with the Python that comes with the OS. But then again if you run Zope in production you should never ever use the system Python and build your own instead. The system Python tends to be compiled with weird flags on RH-based distros to suit their own needs for the many Python-based scripts they have in the OS. Don't use it, build your own. well, on larger shops like ours, the sysadms always want to know why we introduce Yet Another Non-Standard Component to the system setup that cannot be RPM'ed like the rest. And I am not talking across pythoin versions, but oin the same release series (ie. 2.3, etc) I know it is more convenient to self.compile() the python, but it is always hard to argue with the sysadms on this issue. Our current solution is to provide a precomipiled rpm with the pythons we want to use. Why is that the standard os-distributed pythons do not work with zope? They seem to work with other python sw... /dario - being curious... -- -- --- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming application design: emancipate yourself from mental slavery - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
On 27 Oct 2005, at 08:58, Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote: well, on larger shops like ours, the sysadms always want to know why we introduce Yet Another Non-Standard Component to the system setup that cannot be RPM'ed like the rest. And I am not talking across pythoin versions, but oin the same release series (ie. 2.3, etc) I know it is more convenient to self.compile() the python, but it is always hard to argue with the sysadms on this issue. Our current solution is to provide a precomipiled rpm with the pythons we want to use. Why is that the standard os-distributed pythons do not work with zope? They seem to work with other python sw... For the Zope setups the pattern that I have seen most often in larger shops is buildout scripts that create self-contained full instances with Python, Zope and the instance home. These are easy to set up and update with one simple buildout script or Makefile or whatever strikes your fancy. This is exactly the same level of convenience (and maintainability) as saying rpm -Uvh foo.rpm. Obviously this self-contained ZEO client with its own Python could be done as a RPM or set of RPMs as well. The main idea is that you isolate Zope and Python from the rest of the system. You can then use simple auto-upgrading schemes like yum or even the redhat network to keep everything up to date, while never running the risk of influencing or bringing down Zope by making unforeseen changes to the Python in use, as could happen with the system Python. The same is true for any add-ons you might install into the Python used for Zope. jens ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
On 10/26/05, HaraldFinnås [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm new to Zope, and I've been playing with 2.8.1, but I really haven't done any real work with it yet. Now I expect to get my new decicated Zope hardware tomorrow, so I have to decide if I should go for 2.8.4 or 3.1.0. Any tips if I should go for the latest and greatest or stick with 2.8? Depends on what you are going to use it for. So, tell us! :-) -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/ ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
Depends on what you are going to use it for. So, tell us! :-) Not sure myself yet. :) There will certainly be a couple of Plone sites, and I plan on writing a simple application for tracking Non-Conformaties, Incident Reports etc (QA related). But based on the responses until now, I've already decided to go with 2.8. I also want to thank everyone who's responded to this thread, especially the OS related comments. :) Regards, Harald ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
Am Donnerstag, 27. Oktober 2005 09:37 schrieb Jens Vagelpohl: The only issues you might ever run into would be problems with the Python that comes with the OS. But then again if you run Zope in production you should never ever use the system Python and build your own instead. The system Python tends to be compiled with weird flags on RH-based distros to suit their own needs for the many Python-based scripts they have in the OS. Don't use it, build your own. I'd be very curious to hear about what real life problems people have observed. The advice is mention so often here, without any proof (at least thats my impression). Does it run slow? Does product xy behave strange? Does it crash? We have some well loaded (2.8.x ZEO setup) servers up and running, using the standard python install that comes with fedora 3 (or their official updates), and that seems not to have any obvious disadvantages (beside the fact, that they still offer 2.3.4 only). Cheers, Sascha -- Gallileus - the power of knowledge Gallileus GmbH http://www.gallileus.info/ Pintschstraße 16 fon +49-(0)30-41 93 43 43 10249 Berlin fax +49-(0)30-41 93 43 45 Germany ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
On 27 Oct 2005, at 10:22, Sascha Ottolski wrote: Am Donnerstag, 27. Oktober 2005 09:37 schrieb Jens Vagelpohl: The only issues you might ever run into would be problems with the Python that comes with the OS. But then again if you run Zope in production you should never ever use the system Python and build your own instead. The system Python tends to be compiled with weird flags on RH-based distros to suit their own needs for the many Python-based scripts they have in the OS. Don't use it, build your own. I'd be very curious to hear about what real life problems people have observed. The advice is mention so often here, without any proof (at least thats my impression). Does it run slow? Does product xy behave strange? Does it crash? We have some well loaded (2.8.x ZEO setup) servers up and running, using the standard python install that comes with fedora 3 (or their official updates), and that seems not to have any obvious disadvantages (beside the fact, that they still offer 2.3.4 only). You just noted one more disadvantage yourself: The system Python is likely to be out of step with what Zope wants. Furthermore, updates to the system Python or to add-on packages might have unintended consequences for your Zope setup. jens ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
Am Donnerstag, 27. Oktober 2005 13:20 schrieb Jens Vagelpohl: You just noted one more disadvantage yourself: The system Python is likely to be out of step with what Zope wants. Furthermore, updates to the system Python or to add-on packages might have unintended consequences for your Zope setup. well, might have is one thing, really experiencing problems is quite different... -- Gallileus - the power of knowledge Gallileus GmbH http://www.gallileus.info/ Pintschstraße 16 fon +49-(0)30-41 93 43 43 10249 Berlin fax +49-(0)30-41 93 43 45 Germany ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
On 27 Oct 2005, at 12:55, Sascha Ottolski wrote: Am Donnerstag, 27. Oktober 2005 13:20 schrieb Jens Vagelpohl: You just noted one more disadvantage yourself: The system Python is likely to be out of step with what Zope wants. Furthermore, updates to the system Python or to add-on packages might have unintended consequences for your Zope setup. well, might have is one thing, really experiencing problems is quite different... Look, it's all about how much risk you are willing to carry. I don't like playing Russian Roulette with services that are supposed to be highly available. And I don't want to have to waste a single thought on problems that *might* develop if RedHat or their packagers decide to do something to their Python or to Python add-ons I use. I also prefer to do upgrades to these components on my own schedule, not when someone else who has no idea about my various usage scenarios thinks so. jens ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
Am Donnerstag, 27. Oktober 2005 14:17 schrieb Jens Vagelpohl: well, might have is one thing, really experiencing problems is quite different... Look, it's all about how much risk you are willing to carry. I don't like playing Russian Roulette with services that are supposed to be highly available. And I don't want to have to waste a single thought on problems that *might* develop if RedHat or their packagers decide to do something to their Python or to Python add-ons I use. I also prefer to do upgrades to these components on my own schedule, not when someone else who has no idea about my various usage scenarios thinks so. hey, no offence, I absolutely see your point. it's just that I'm really curious about what practical problems people have seen, as we seem not to have any...and in my point of view, it's less to think about when I simply stick to the packages that come with the OS :-) cheers, Sascha -- Gallileus - the power of knowledge Gallileus GmbH http://www.gallileus.info/ Pintschstraße 16 fon +49-(0)30-41 93 43 43 10249 Berlin fax +49-(0)30-41 93 43 45 Germany ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
On 27 Oct 2005, at 13:30, Sascha Ottolski wrote: Look, it's all about how much risk you are willing to carry. I don't like playing Russian Roulette with services that are supposed to be highly available. And I don't want to have to waste a single thought on problems that *might* develop if RedHat or their packagers decide to do something to their Python or to Python add-ons I use. I also prefer to do upgrades to these components on my own schedule, not when someone else who has no idea about my various usage scenarios thinks so. hey, no offence, I absolutely see your point. it's just that I'm really curious about what practical problems people have seen, as we seem not to have any...and in my point of view, it's less to think about when I simply stick to the packages that come with the OS :-) For me that's true with pretty much every single package - apart from Zope and the Python that runs it. I would never advocate any strategy that leans heavily on the build myself side. That's just insane maintenance. System packages should be used wherever possible (like Apache, etc). In cases where you have a better (or purpose-built) replacement for a system package then build a package that meshes with your system packaging and replaces the original. I've been building my own Squid and sometimes Postfix RPMs on many occasions. jens ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
On 10/27/05, HaraldFinnås [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Depends on what you are going to use it for. So, tell us! :-) Not sure myself yet. :) There will certainly be a couple of Plone sites Well, Plone doesn't run on Zope 3, so there ya go. :) -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/ ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
On Thu, Oct 27, 2005, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 27 Oct 2005, at 08:58, Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote: well, on larger shops like ours, the sysadms always want to know why we introduce Yet Another Non-Standard Component to the system setup that cannot be RPM'ed like the rest. And I am not talking across pythoin versions, but oin the same release series (ie. 2.3, etc) I know it is more convenient to self.compile() the python, but it is always hard to argue with the sysadms on this issue. Our current solution is to provide a precomipiled rpm with the pythons we want to use. Why is that the standard os-distributed pythons do not work with zope? They seem to work with other python sw... For the Zope setups the pattern that I have seen most often in larger shops is buildout scripts that create self-contained full instances with Python, Zope and the instance home. These are easy to set up and update with one simple buildout script or Makefile or whatever strikes your fancy. This is exactly the same level of convenience (and maintainability) as saying rpm -Uvh foo.rpm. Obviously this self-contained ZEO client with its own Python could be done as a RPM or set of RPMs as well. The main idea is that you isolate Zope and Python from the rest of the system. You can then use simple auto-upgrading schemes like yum or even the redhat network to keep everything up to date, while never running the risk of influencing or bringing down Zope by making unforeseen changes to the Python in use, as could happen with the system Python. The same is true for any add-ons you might install into the Python used for Zope. We've been running Zope and Plone built under the OpenPKG.org portable packaging system for a couple of years now. The OpenPKG system avoids problems with vendor python and other packages. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.'' -- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
I'm using Zope 2.7.x on RHEL 3.x without trouble ... Though I should be upgrading to CentOS 4.x fairly soon ... what problems have you heard of? As for Zope, if you're not sure, then you probably want 2.8.x ... 3.1 is stable, but for lower level development ... also depends what features you need ... some CMF things aren't avilable in it yet. J.F. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of HaraldFinnåsSent: October 26, 2005 4:43 PMTo: zope@zope.orgSubject: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1? I'm new to Zope, and I've been playing with 2.8.1, but I really haven't done any real work with it yet. Now I expect to get my new decicated Zope hardware tomorrow, so I have to decide if I should go for 2.8.4 or 3.1.0. Any tips if I should go for the latest and greatest or stick with 2.8? I've also seen comments that running Zope on RHEL/CentOS might not be wise. My test env. is using FC4, but I'm planning to install CenOS 4.2 on the production server. Unwise choice? Regards, Harald ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
Doyon, Jean-Francois [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 26.10.2005 22:40:09: I'm using Zope 2.7.x on RHEL 3.x without trouble ... Though I should be upgrading to CentOS 4.x fairly soon ... what problems have you heard of? I think the problems were related to OS software versions like Python. And most of us don't like rolling our own packages if we don't have to I'd guess. :) But I've decided to give CentOS 4.2 (or RHEL4U2 in that language :)) a shot anyway. Regards, Harald ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
Ah ok, well yeah, in my experience it happensthat some requirements exceed the version in the distro. Even if they did *today*, 6 months from now when another Zope comes out requiring a new python version, you'd have to build one yourself anyways. Might as well get used to it now :) It's pretty straight-forward mind you. J.F. From: HaraldFinnås [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 26, 2005 4:55 PMTo: zope@zope.orgCc: Doyon, Jean-FrancoisSubject: RE: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1? "Doyon, Jean-Francois" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 26.10.2005 22:40:09: I'm using Zope 2.7.x on RHEL 3.x without trouble ... Though I should be upgrading to CentOS 4.x fairly soon ... what problems have you heard of? I think the problems were related to OS software versions like Python. And most of us don't like rolling our own packages if we don't have to I'd guess. :) But I've decided to give CentOS 4.2 (or RHEL4U2 in "that" language :)) a shot anyway. Regards, Harald ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
We use lots and lots of Centos 4.x servers not a problem there go for it. Andrew Sawyers Zope Corporation Zope Managed Hosting Software Engineer From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harald Finns Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 4:43 PM To: zope@zope.org Subject: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1? I'm new to Zope, and I've been playing with 2.8.1, but I really haven't done any real work with it yet. Now I expect to get my new decicated Zope hardware tomorrow, so I have to decide if I should go for 2.8.4 or 3.1.0. Any tips if I should go for the latest and greatest or stick with 2.8? I've also seen comments that running Zope on RHEL/CentOS might not be wise. My test env. is using FC4, but I'm planning to install CenOS 4.2 on the production server. Unwise choice? Regards, Harald ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
I meant to send a reply to the list. The gist of my offlist response to Harald was: We use lots and lots of Centos 4.x servers in heavy production with no problems. Go for it. Andrew Sawyers Zope Corporation Zope Managed Hosting Software Engineer From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doyon, Jean-Francois Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 4:40 PM To: 'HaraldFinnås'; zope@zope.org Subject: RE: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1? I'm using Zope 2.7.x on RHEL 3.x without trouble ... Though I should be upgrading to CentOS 4.x fairly soon ... what problems have you heard of? As for Zope, if you're not sure, then you probably want 2.8.x ... 3.1 is stable, but for lower level development ... also depends what features you need ... some CMF things aren't avilable in it yet. J.F. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of HaraldFinnås Sent: October 26, 2005 4:43 PM To: zope@zope.org Subject: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1? I'm new to Zope, and I've been playing with 2.8.1, but I really haven't done any real work with it yet. Now I expect to get my new decicated Zope hardware tomorrow, so I have to decide if I should go for 2.8.4 or 3.1.0. Any tips if I should go for the latest and greatest or stick with 2.8? I've also seen comments that running Zope on RHEL/CentOS might not be wise. My test env. is using FC4, but I'm planning to install CenOS 4.2 on the production server. Unwise choice? Regards, Harald ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
