RE: [Zope] acl_users folder 25000
Kees de Brabander wrote at 2008-6-5 15:44 +0200: ... The intended application actually is an election. It is a one time thing. Every member is using this application once, and presumably not all of them. Would it still be unwise then to put these 25000 accounts in an ordinary acl_users folder? The standard UserFolder stores all data directly in itself -- i.e. without using persistent subobjects. Storing 25.000 accounts in it may give you quite a big object -- about 0.5 to 1 Mb. Nevertheless, it might work for you. Initial access is proably not that fast -- but after that, the object is probably in the cache. Otherwise, a slight modification to the UserFolder would suffice to let is use persistent subobjects: store the user data not in a dict but in an BTrees.OOBTree.OOBTree. You would derive from the standard one and use a different storage in your derived class. -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] acl_users folder 25000
It appears that the database of my client is not accessible. They can provide me an excel file with the members. The intended application actually is an election. It is a one time thing. Every member is using this application once, and presumably not all of them. Would it still be unwise then to put these 25000 accounts in an ordinary acl_users folder? You could import the users in a database (like mysql) and authenticate with a PAS plugin. Performance wise it could be really slow to have 25K users in a userfolder. I found this userfolder today as well : http://www.simplistix.co.uk/software/zope/simpleuserfolder. You could easily write a ZSQL method for authentication for this (it's easier than writing a PAS plugin). If you have time or resources to write a PAS plugin I suggest to invest some time for that. Martijn. -- Martijn Jacobs Four Digits, Internet Solutions a: Willemsplein 15-1 6811 KB Arnhem NL kvk: 09162137 | btw: 8161.22.234.B01 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | web: http://www.fourdigits.nl tel: +31 (0)26 44 22 700 | fax: +31 (0)84 22 06 117 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] acl_users folder 25000
I wouldn't know, it seems like something is not correctly configured to reach the GMail server. However, I suggested the gmailauthplugin as an example for writing a PAS plugin, not as a functional product for a website :) Take a look authenticateCredentials in GMailAuthPlugin.py, there is where the authentication is happening. Martijn. Thanks for the link to the gmailauthplugin. I am trying it out on plone 3 on a mac tiger laptop and I'm getting the following error: Exception Type URLError Exception Value urlopen error no host given * Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 110, in publish * Module ZPublisher.BaseRequest, line 580, in traverse * Module Products.PluggableAuthService.PluggableAuthService, line 233, in validate * Module Products.PluggableAuthService.PluggableAuthService, line 600, in _extractUserIds * Module Products.GMailAuthPlugin.GMailAuthPlugin, line 89, in authenticateCredentials * Module Products.GMailAuthPlugin.libgmail_incl.libgmail, line 320, in login * Module Products.GMailAuthPlugin.libgmail_incl.libgmail, line 333, in _retrievePage * Module urllib2, line 130, in urlopen * Module urllib2, line 356, in open * Module urllib2, line 943, in do_request_ Here is the environment specifics: Zope Version (Zope 2.10.5-final, python 2.4.4, darwin) Python Version 2.4.4 (#1, Feb 21 2008, 21:15:12) [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5250)] System Platform darwin SOFTWARE_HOME /Applications/Plone-3.0.6/lib/python Any Suggestions? Thanks in advance. -Tim www.medicinebrain.com On 6/3/08, Martijn Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kees de Brabander wrote: I have no idea. I have been looking at the PAS, but did not find to much documentation on it. Would it be possible to use a database that my client does maintain? cb Yes that would be possible. Take a look at http://plone.org/products/gmailauthplugin as it's a pretty nice example how to write a plugin yourself. You can also take a look at https://svn.plone.org/svn/collective/PASPlugins/ Martijn -- Martijn Jacobs Four Digits, Internet Solutions a: Willemsplein 15-1 6811 KB Arnhem NL kvk: 09162137 | btw: 8161.22.234.B01 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | web: http://www.fourdigits.nl tel: +31 (0)26 44 22 700 | fax: +31 (0)84 22 06 117 -- Martijn Jacobs Four Digits, Internet Solutions a: Willemsplein 15-1 6811 KB Arnhem NL kvk: 09162137 | btw: 8161.22.234.B01 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | web: http://www.fourdigits.nl tel: +31 (0)26 44 22 700 | fax: +31 (0)84 22 06 117 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] acl_users folder 25000
_ Van: Martijn Jacobs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: donderdag 5 juni 2008 15:35 Aan: Kees de Brabander CC: zope@zope.org Onderwerp: Re: [Zope] acl_users folder 25000 It appears that the database of my client is not accessible. They can provide me an excel file with the members. The intended application actually is an election. It is a one time thing. Every member is using this application once, and presumably not all of them. Would it still be unwise then to put these 25000 accounts in an ordinary acl_users folder? You could import the users in a database (like mysql) and authenticate with a PAS plugin. Performance wise it could be really slow to have 25K users in a userfolder. I found this userfolder today as well : http://www.simplistix.co.uk/software/zope/simpleuserfolder. You could easily write a ZSQL method for authentication for this (it's easier than writing a PAS plugin). If you have time or resources to write a PAS plugin I suggest to invest some time for that. For the moment, MySql and simpleuserfolder would be the easiest way, I presume. Thanks again, cb ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] acl_users folder 25000
_ Van: Martijn Jacobs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 16:13 Aan: Kees de Brabander CC: zope@zope.org Onderwerp: Re: [Zope] acl_users folder 25000 Kees de Brabander wrote: I have no idea. I have been looking at the PAS, but did not find to much documentation on it. Would it be possible to use a database that my client does maintain? cb Yes that would be possible. Take a look at http://plone.org/products/gmailauthplugin as it's a pretty nice example how to write a plugin yourself. You can also take a look at https://svn.plone.org/svn/collective/PASPlugins/ It appears that the database of my client is not accessible. They can provide me an excel file with the members. The intended application actually is an election. It is a one time thing. Every member is using this application once, and presumably not all of them. Would it still be unwise then to put these 25000 accounts in an ordinary acl_users folder? cb ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] acl_users folder 25000
--On 3. Juni 2008 15:48:55 +0200 Kees de Brabander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A client of mine wants a site that is only accessible for members. If so, what other options do I have? LDAP, RDBMS -aj pgpfyOQuLs7wh.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] acl_users folder 25000
Kees de Brabander wrote: A client of mine wants a site that is only accessible for members. However, there are more than 25000 members. Are there any reasons that would make it unwise to populate an ordinary acl_users folder with such a number of user accounts? If so, what other options do I have? If it's possible to use a existing userdatabase or authentication source I would prefer to use that. With http://www.zope.org/Products/PluggableAuthService/ it's very easy to let zope authenticate against any kind of database or source (including MySQL/LDAP etc). And if it's a custom source it's not difficult to write your own authentication plugin. Where and how are these accounts stored now? LDAD/ADS or something else? Martijn. -- Martijn Jacobs Four Digits, Internet Solutions a: Willemsplein 15-1 6811 KB Arnhem NL kvk: 09162137 | btw: 8161.22.234.B01 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | web: http://www.fourdigits.nl tel: +31 (0)26 44 22 700 | fax: +31 (0)84 22 06 117 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] acl_users folder 25000
_ Van: Martijn Jacobs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 15:57 Aan: Kees de Brabander CC: zope@zope.org Onderwerp: Re: [Zope] acl_users folder 25000 Kees de Brabander wrote: A client of mine wants a site that is only accessible for members. However, there are more than 25000 members. Are there any reasons that would make it unwise to populate an ordinary acl_users folder with such a number of user accounts? If so, what other options do I have? If it's possible to use a existing userdatabase or authentication source I would prefer to use that. With http://www.zope.org/Products/PluggableAuthService/ http://www.zope.org/Products/PluggableAuthService/ it's very easy to let zope authenticate against any kind of database or source (including MySQL/LDAP etc). And if it's a custom source it's not difficult to write your own authentication plugin. Where and how are these accounts stored now? LDAD/ADS or something else? I have no idea. I have been looking at the PAS, but did not find to much documentation on it. Would it be possible to use a database that my client does maintain? cb ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] acl_users folder 25000
Kees de Brabander wrote: I have no idea. I have been looking at the PAS, but did not find to much documentation on it. Would it be possible to use a database that my client does maintain? cb Yes that would be possible. Take a look at http://plone.org/products/gmailauthplugin as it's a pretty nice example how to write a plugin yourself. You can also take a look at https://svn.plone.org/svn/collective/PASPlugins/ Martijn -- Martijn Jacobs Four Digits, Internet Solutions a: Willemsplein 15-1 6811 KB Arnhem NL kvk: 09162137 | btw: 8161.22.234.B01 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | web: http://www.fourdigits.nl tel: +31 (0)26 44 22 700 | fax: +31 (0)84 22 06 117 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] acl_users folder 25000
Ok, thanks I'll check it out. cb _ Van: Martijn Jacobs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: dinsdag 3 juni 2008 16:13 Aan: Kees de Brabander CC: zope@zope.org Onderwerp: Re: [Zope] acl_users folder 25000 Kees de Brabander wrote: I have no idea. I have been looking at the PAS, but did not find to much documentation on it. Would it be possible to use a database that my client does maintain? cb Yes that would be possible. Take a look at http://plone.org/products/gmailauthplugin as it's a pretty nice example how to write a plugin yourself. You can also take a look at https://svn.plone.org/svn/collective/PASPlugins/ Martijn -- Martijn Jacobs Four Digits, Internet Solutions a: Willemsplein 15-1 6811 KB Arnhem NL kvk: 09162137 | btw: 8161.22.234.B01 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | web: http://www.fourdigits.nl tel: +31 (0)26 44 22 700 | fax: +31 (0)84 22 06 117 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1480 - Release Date: 3-6-2008 7:00 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] acl_users folder 25000
Thanks for the link to the gmailauthplugin. I am trying it out on plone 3 on a mac tiger laptop and I'm getting the following error: Exception Type URLError Exception Value urlopen error no host given * Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 110, in publish * Module ZPublisher.BaseRequest, line 580, in traverse * Module Products.PluggableAuthService.PluggableAuthService, line 233, in validate * Module Products.PluggableAuthService.PluggableAuthService, line 600, in _extractUserIds * Module Products.GMailAuthPlugin.GMailAuthPlugin, line 89, in authenticateCredentials * Module Products.GMailAuthPlugin.libgmail_incl.libgmail, line 320, in login * Module Products.GMailAuthPlugin.libgmail_incl.libgmail, line 333, in _retrievePage * Module urllib2, line 130, in urlopen * Module urllib2, line 356, in open * Module urllib2, line 943, in do_request_ Here is the environment specifics: Zope Version (Zope 2.10.5-final, python 2.4.4, darwin) Python Version 2.4.4 (#1, Feb 21 2008, 21:15:12) [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5250)] System Platform darwin SOFTWARE_HOME /Applications/Plone-3.0.6/lib/python Any Suggestions? Thanks in advance. -Tim www.medicinebrain.com On 6/3/08, Martijn Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kees de Brabander wrote: I have no idea. I have been looking at the PAS, but did not find to much documentation on it. Would it be possible to use a database that my client does maintain? cb Yes that would be possible. Take a look at http://plone.org/products/gmailauthplugin as it's a pretty nice example how to write a plugin yourself. You can also take a look at https://svn.plone.org/svn/collective/PASPlugins/ Martijn -- Martijn Jacobs Four Digits, Internet Solutions a: Willemsplein 15-1 6811 KB Arnhem NL kvk: 09162137 | btw: 8161.22.234.B01 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | web: http://www.fourdigits.nl tel: +31 (0)26 44 22 700 | fax: +31 (0)84 22 06 117 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
