Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-29 Thread Daniel Cegiełka
2014-06-29 13:40 GMT+02:00 Antoine Jacoutot ajacou...@bsdfrog.org: So first you comment on Ian's GSoC and now on systemd... thai is confusing. I don't care about systemd we will never have it. We just need some interfaces that are currently only implemented in systemd. This is the right

crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-28 Thread frank ernest
Hello, I'm ballsystemlord from the Opensuse forums and I've been reading a lot about how systemd is unportable, even for use with some linux programs and the systemd devs are not concerned about it. I, as a single person, can't possibly hope to maintain the old sysVinit system and also systemd

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-28 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2014-06-28, Kenneth Westerback kwesterb...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 June 2014 13:55, frank ernest do...@mail.com wrote: Hello, I'm ballsystemlord from the Opensuse forums and I've been reading a lot about how systemd is unportable, even for use with some linux programs and the systemd devs

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-29 Thread Franco Fichtner
On 29 Jun 2014, at 13:43, Antoine Jacoutot ajacou...@bsdfrog.org wrote: Why are people poluting our lists with systemd rants??? There is nothing to discuss since we do not want and will never have systemd. If you don't understand what the systemd-utl GSoC is about then move along. First

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-29 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
Ok then my counter argument will be: second of all, this is misc@ Franco Fichtner slash...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 Jun 2014, at 13:43, Antoine Jacoutot ajacou...@bsdfrog.org wrote: Why are people poluting our lists with systemd rants??? There is nothing to discuss since we do not want

Re: systemd-*

2014-09-21 Thread Josh Grosse
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 10:38:22PM -0400, bofh wrote: Was reading http://boycottsystemd.org/ and they wrote: The OpenBSD Foundation is currently developing OS-agnostic, BSD-licensed replacements http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/gsoc2014.html#systemd, which will likely prove the most viable

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-30 Thread ian kremlin
https://uglyman.kremlin.cc/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=systemd-utl.git There is either something wrong with the web page or firefox as it mentions that the connection was reset while the page was loading. However, I've used you probably caught me in the middle of a reboot yet. But I wanted to know

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-29 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
So first you comment on Ian's GSoC and now on systemd... thai is confusing. I don't care about systemd we will never have it. We just need some interfaces that are currently only implemented in systemd. Eric Furman ericfur...@fastmail.net wrote: My real helpful comments are that it violates

Re: OpenBSD GSoC 2014 accepted projects status

2014-06-21 Thread ian kremlin
hi! i'm a student working on four DBus daemons that emulate the behavior of systemd ones as to allow porting code that depends on systemd less of a hassle i've set up gitweb to track my progress, you can find it here: https://uglyman.kremlin.cc/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=systemd-utl.git; the 'master

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-28 Thread ian kremlin
that doesn't make the slightest sense. pure C can be and often is perfectly portable. those were not the right words, i meant to convey that because systemd uses its own DBus binding (and not an already-ported lib like GIO/GDbus) it would be difficult to port, as that binding is seemingly very

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-07-02 Thread frank ernest
I intend to produce the four systemd utilities as outlined on the OpenBSD Foundation's web page, ... This seems unclear to me what you are refering to http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/ does not contain, as far as I could see, any software specs/ideas. And, though this sounds quite pretty, are you

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-29 Thread Daniel Cegiełka
2014-06-29 1:05 GMT+02:00 ian kremlin i...@kremlin.cc: that bsd is being crowded out, a thought that had not crossed my mind. I wanted to know, before assuming that it is the case everywhere, do people really not like systemd and is it really hurting bsd? If so, I'd be interested in doing

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-30 Thread Sadiq Saif
On 6/30/2014 19:31, frank ernest wrote: If I'm posting to the wrong bsd list kindly redirect me to the correct one, I thought misc was best. https://uglyman.kremlin.cc/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=systemd-utl.git There is According to the page about the project on the Google Summer of Code 2014

[OT] Re: OpenBSD Trademark Policy

2014-12-07 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Jorge Gabriel Lopez Paramount wrote: I'm in the middle of leaving Debian after almost 15 years of using it, due to the systemd affair. And as you might guess it has not been easy, I have enough (personal) systems and experience invested to leave Debian only for a tantrum

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-28 Thread Kenneth Westerback
On 28 June 2014 13:55, frank ernest do...@mail.com wrote: Hello, I'm ballsystemlord from the Opensuse forums and I've been reading a lot about how systemd is unportable, even for use with some linux programs and the systemd devs are not concerned about it. I, as a single person, can't possibly

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-28 Thread ian kremlin
that bsd is being crowded out, a thought that had not crossed my mind. I wanted to know, before assuming that it is the case everywhere, do people really not like systemd and is it really hurting bsd? If so, I'd be interested in doing something about it. Thanks, David yes, systemd has become

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-28 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
Em 28-06-2014 20:39, Stuart Henderson escreveu: Even a significant number of Linux users I've talked to about it really don't like systemd. Hate it. Made all my linux based systems slower. Just looking at the pid 1 part and ignoring the rest, there are way too many tentacles (library

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-29 Thread Eric Furman
My real helpful comments are that it violates every real concept of UNIX Do ONE thing and do it WELL Systemd does none of these things. On Sun, Jun 29, 2014, at 04:51 AM, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: https://uglyman.kremlin.cc/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=systemd-utl.git;a=blob;f=scripts/gen-gdbus

systemd-*

2014-09-21 Thread bofh
Was reading http://boycottsystemd.org/ and they wrote: The OpenBSD Foundation is currently developing OS-agnostic, BSD-licensed replacements http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/gsoc2014.html#systemd, which will likely prove the most viable. Is this even something that's being worked on? http

Re: How does OpenBSD compare to Ubuntu Server?

2011-07-07 Thread Alexander Schrijver
For starters, there is 100% consensus among developers that we'll never use newfangled overengineered stuff like System V init. You mean Upstart! or wait You mean systemd!

Re: How does OpenBSD compare to Ubuntu Server?

2011-07-07 Thread Benjamin Kiessling
You mean systemd! You'd need udev in the core system. And everybody knows daemontools/runit is the past, present, and future of init systems.

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-07-02 Thread frank ernest
refering to http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/ does not contain, as far as http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/gsoc2014.html Umm, there are at least 24 links on that page to various projects that need done, to which are you refering?

Re: systemd-*

2014-09-21 Thread Theo de Raadt
Was reading http://boycottsystemd.org/ and they wrote: The OpenBSD Foundation is currently developing OS-agnostic, BSD-licensed replacements http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/gsoc2014.html#systemd, which will likely prove the most viable. Is this even something that's being worked

Re: mfs vs tmpfs: advantages and disadvantages

2016-05-15 Thread Lampshade
And what about performance? Is tmpfs or mfs faster? Is one or another more resource hungry? -- Furthermore, I consider that systemd must be destroyed Latin oratorical phrase

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-29 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
https://uglyman.kremlin.cc/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=systemd-utl.git;a=blob;f=scripts/gen-gdbus-interfaces.sh;h=f827434d0211ea8765c075fdb2916386ffc16ecb;hb=HEAD btw. it's bashism in a posix shell suit? If that is all you were able to spot then move along :-) It's very pre-alpha WIP and many things

Re: Read sysctl from file

2017-07-20 Thread Consus
place. The only thing systemd does is hits > the controlling process on the head with a known conf-reload signal or > (gasp) a DBus control statement. Both of these can be done just as > well with an rc script, and without restarting the service. What systemd has to do with anything?

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-28 Thread Franco Fichtner
On 28 Jun 2014, at 19:55, frank ernest do...@mail.com wrote: wanted to know, before assuming that it is the case everywhere, do people really not like systemd and is it really hurting bsd? If so, I'd be interested in doing something about it. Thanks, David A fact is that systemd slowly tears

Re: Crowding out OpenBSD

2012-11-17 Thread Andres Perera
whereas pgroups do not this is a question of policy, not api: 1. if a program double-forks, that program has made it clear that it does not need the destructors scripted in systemd implementation, and is eligible for being terminated by the generic, all-encompasing, sysv killall(), linux killall5

Re: systemd-*

2014-09-23 Thread Landry Breuil
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 08:46:27PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: Was reading http://boycottsystemd.org/ and they wrote: The OpenBSD Foundation is currently developing OS-agnostic, BSD-licensed replacements http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/gsoc2014.html#systemd, which will likely prove

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-30 Thread frank ernest
If I'm posting to the wrong bsd list kindly redirect me to the correct one, I thought misc was best. https://uglyman.kremlin.cc/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=systemd-utl.git There is either something wrong with the web page or firefox as it mentions that the connection was reset while the page was loading

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-07-08 Thread frank ernest
kermlin) is on none of the projects (which is highly confusing.) Here, I'll post a link for you; is it: http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/gsoc2014.html#systemd ? Thanks, David PS: As you requested I've cloned the repo git://uglyman.kremlin.cc/git/systemd-utl.git I'll look over the code for you.PPS

Re: OpenBSD Trademark Policy

2014-12-07 Thread Jorge Gabriel Lopez Paramount
years of using it, due to the systemd affair. And as you might guess it has not been easy, I have enough (personal) systems and experience invested to leave Debian only for a tantrum, but there is no easy way to install a new system and avoid systemd, and I guess this will become worse over time

Laffs with Lennart

2011-07-16 Thread Chris Cappuccio
for Linux (see comment in the above article about how it's not _his_ fault), and systemd, a replacement for init that adds cron and inetd functionality in one package, including systemctl for back-end control (not to be confused with sysctl.) I guess it really isn't even that funny. Why

Re: Read sysctl from file

2017-07-20 Thread Kapetanakis Giannis
place. The only thing systemd does is hits the controlling process on the head with a known conf-reload signal or (gasp) a DBus control statement. Both of these can be done just as well with an rc script, and without restarting the service. What systemd has to do with anything? We are talking about

Re: Gnome3 : can not connect to my session

2017-09-05 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
D. > And my complicated pass is typed in FR, and run correctly. > > The problem is with GDM, despite the locale.conf and session gnome seted. On GNOME, kbd locale support is handled by... systemd. It is documented in the package by the way. Extract from /usr/local/share/doc/pkg-readmes/gnom

Re: kernel_relinking failed

2017-11-24 Thread Roderick
On Thu, 23 Nov 2017, Kevin Chadwick wrote: [...] It is not like systemd that is replacing an existing system in a more complex way. I think, initialisation got always more complex. BSD init is simpler than Sys V init, systemd went to the extrem. But rc scripts seem also got always more

Re: How does OpenBSD compare to Ubuntu Server?

2011-07-09 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Alexander Schrijver alexander.schrij...@gmail.com wrote: For starters, there is 100% consensus among developers that we'll never use newfangled overengineered stuff like System V init. You mean Upstart! or wait You mean systemd! Or the oddness

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-16 Thread Kevin Chadwick
to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

Re: pflog disappeared

2014-04-04 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 09:02:06PM +0200, emigrant wrote: You're right, probably pflogrotate script is buggy. root@master[~]ls /var/log/pflog ls: /var/log/pflog: No such file or directory wtf? where is my pflog file? :) interesting, because it worked almost 3 years Make sure systemd

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-28 Thread patrick keshishian
On 6/28/14, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote: * ian kremlin i...@kremlin.cc [2014-06-29 01:05]: due to its unportability (as it's written in pure C) that doesn't make the slightest sense. pure C can be and often is perfectly portable. i took it as sarcasim. --patrick

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-29 Thread Jason Barbier
If we are in such dire need of an init system replacement, why has there not been widespread frenzy as with schedulers, package managers, packet filters, programming languages and so forth? Maybe because people don't seem to think the same thing, or feel the urgency to replace it. But a

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-07-02 Thread ian kremlin
refering to http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/ does not contain, as far as http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/gsoc2014.html software that you speak of be portable to Linux or is it BSD only? I've i am planning (post-GSOC) on writing an archlinux PKGBUILD and eventually a debian package.

Server Name Indication (SNI) relayd

2014-07-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

Re: Crowding out OpenBSD

2012-11-19 Thread Aaron Mason
One could easily poke holes in this complaint; the characterization of PAM as modern is somewhat amusing; it is 1990s technology. Dafuk. If he's going to nitpick, then so am I. Marc did not say PAM was modern. He mentioned a modern Linux distro with pulseaudio, pam and systemd - to infer

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-29 Thread Gustav Fransson Nyvell
On 06/29/14 13:43, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: Why are people poluting our lists with systemd rants??? There is nothing to discuss since we do not want and will never have systemd. If you don't understand what the systemd-utl GSoC is about then move along. Gustav Fransson Nyvell gus

Re: dhclient

2014-03-26 Thread Theo de Raadt
. If you can you use the commandline and especially have root acces then this should be very easy. If not, you will simply configure and reboot. Lets hope this doesn't become a problem with the take-up of cgroups and monstrous sized /sbin/init or the rediculously placed /usr/lib/systemd/systemd

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-29 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
Why are people poluting our lists with systemd rants??? There is nothing to discuss since we do not want and will never have systemd. If you don't understand what the systemd-utl GSoC is about then move along. Gustav Fransson Nyvell gus...@nyvell.se wrote: On 06/29/14 13:09, bodie wrote

Re: Gnome3 : can not connect to my session

2017-09-05 Thread Stephane HUC "PengouinBSD"
tall OpenBSD. >> And my complicated pass is typed in FR, and run correctly. >> >> The problem is with GDM, despite the locale.conf and session gnome seted. > On GNOME, kbd locale support is handled by... systemd. > > It is documented in the package by the way. > Extract fr

Re: kernel_relinking failed

2017-11-22 Thread Kevin Chadwick
n the window of investigating your gadget layout is as insignificant as it can be. Doing it another way only increases that risk. > I also avoid to start deamons at boot time that I not need > at the moment. See it as the opposite of the systemd ideology. Fair enough but doesn't apply here.

Re: How does OpenBSD compare to Ubuntu Server?

2011-07-09 Thread Paul Suh
! or wait You mean systemd! Or the oddness that is daemontools!! Hey, wait for me -- launchd from the Mac! :-) [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s]

Re: nouveau driver help (moved from ports to misc)

2013-10-04 Thread Kevin Chadwick
? -- ___ 'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

Re: [Bulk] Is my 5.4 CD ok?

2014-01-16 Thread Kevin Chadwick
thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

xterm -hold -e loop

2014-01-17 Thread Kevin Chadwick
-- ___ 'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-28 Thread Henning Brauer
* ian kremlin i...@kremlin.cc [2014-06-29 01:05]: due to its unportability (as it's written in pure C) that doesn't make the slightest sense. pure C can be and often is perfectly portable. -- Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org BS Web Services GmbH, http://bsws.de, Full-Service

can libressl do a better job against dos attacks?

2014-07-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
design like polkit or systemd ___

Re: [Bulk] Re: openbsd and badusb

2014-08-04 Thread Kevin Chadwick
not then. -- ___ 'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

Re: Wouldn't `daemon_enable=YES` make more sense than `daemon_flags=` in rc.conf.local?

2015-01-28 Thread Jorge Gabriel Lopez Paramount
. There are worse ways of starting up daemons, like systemd. -- Best regards, Jorge Lopez. This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.

Networking Menu option during boot

2015-11-04 Thread J. Scott Heppler
Prior to selling its soul to systemd, Arch Linux used an /etc/rc.local entry to configure networking. One of the options was a "menu" that would pause booting and display some pre-configured networking options. In Arch, the networking options were placed in an /etc/ directory. The opt

Re: Read sysctl from file

2017-07-20 Thread Kai Wetlesen
> Because it's a nice way to apply configuration changes made to > /etc/sysctl.conf without restarting the whole server? Systemctl doesn't offer hot reload unless the controlled daemon offers the capability in the first place. The only thing systemd does is hits the controlling p

van Sprundel

2018-01-28 Thread Andy Lemin
is the only OS I place any real trust in <3 Is probably the only OS they can’t hack. And SystemD makes me want to both cry and scream at the same time. A Sent from a teeny tiny keyboard, so please excuse typos

Re: Crowding out OpenBSD

2012-11-16 Thread Andres Perera
*. And you cannot emulate this. (And no, don't say BSD jail now, because that is something very different). But this already is at the very core of systemd. It's how systemd tracks services. how can someone write this and not explain why a process managing pgroups can't achieve the same results

Re: Crowding out OpenBSD

2012-11-17 Thread Eric Furman
). But this already is at the very core of systemd. It's how systemd tracks services. how can someone write this and not explain why a process managing pgroups can't achieve the same results? pgroups is going to be the first alternative for someone instinctively looking for a portable alternative

Re: dhclient

2014-03-26 Thread Kevin Chadwick
can you use the commandline and especially have root acces then this should be very easy. If not, you will simply configure and reboot. Lets hope this doesn't become a problem with the take-up of cgroups and monstrous sized /sbin/init or the rediculously placed /usr/lib/systemd/systemd to cater

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-29 Thread Kevin Chadwick
systemd doing one thing and doing it well? Sure, it's opaque, I guess Not at all and I could write pages about how damaging it is but won't. I'm successfully abandoning Linux on everything but my TVs and phone (one day, them too I expect). Systemd's design page on freedesktop.org (how ironic

OT Linux rant Was: a thankyou to OpenBSD

2015-02-11 Thread Diana Eichert
Oh yeah, systemd. The new and improved init replacement. It sure looks less complex, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#mediaviewer/File:Systemd_components.svg Yeah, I know about net.ifnames=0, but that just gets you back to the ethX paradigm. So very helpful in a very generic way. What

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-29 Thread bodie
mood this year against various devs from RedHat and yet can do shit about them because he's no longer in control and he knows it. No wonder he choose to focus more on on-line Linux courses under Linuxfoundation (he will not have so much time for kernel during those for sure). Systemd does none

Re: PHP 5.3.1 on OpenBSD 4.2

2013-10-03 Thread Kevin Chadwick
. -- ___ 'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

Re: slashdot rumours

2013-11-01 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-15 Thread Kevin Chadwick
programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-16 Thread patrick keshishian
that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-17 Thread Kevin Chadwick
. -- ___ 'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

Re: Request for Funding our Electricity

2014-01-20 Thread Kevin Chadwick
that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

Re: SHA256.sig missing from install55.iso

2014-03-04 Thread Kevin Chadwick
thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

Re: Vision 2020: Making OpenBSD the world's fastest OS

2014-03-05 Thread Kevin Chadwick
and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

Re: Firefox tweaking

2014-05-01 Thread Kevin Chadwick
. -- ___ 'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd

Re: signing release files

2014-06-15 Thread Kevin Chadwick
interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

Re: Very slow I/O under OpenBSD i386 on qemu-kvm from RHEL7rc

2014-06-16 Thread Kevin Chadwick
-- ___ 'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

Re: Slow performance on Radeon (HD7770) video card

2014-06-21 Thread Jonathan Gray
or newer Radeon parts because it depends on LLVM, glamor and drm backed EGL. This also requires the gbm part of Mesa which until very recently has only supported Linux and udev/systemd. Yes, even basic 2d acceleration requires this mess because xf86-video-ati only has OpenGL backed glamor

Re: fxp driver - bsd.rd vs bsd

2014-06-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

Re: [Bulk] Re: openssh

2014-07-02 Thread Kevin Chadwick
- Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

Re: DVD how to overcome mkisofs

2014-07-04 Thread Kevin Chadwick
. -- ___ 'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___ ___

Re: [Bulk] Re: immutable-ish version control repo?

2014-07-18 Thread Kevin Chadwick
) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

Re: [Bulk] Re: DVD how to overcome mkisofs

2014-07-23 Thread Kevin Chadwick
programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

Re: [Bulk] Re: DVD how to overcome mkisofs

2014-07-23 Thread Kevin Chadwick
that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

Re: [Bulk] Re: openbsd and chromebooks

2014-07-25 Thread Kevin Chadwick
there. -- ___ 'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___ ___

athn channel 2 issue AR9271

2014-07-31 Thread Kevin Chadwick
' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

Re: Access Point Section of the faq

2014-08-06 Thread Kevin Chadwick
programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

Re: [Bulk] I have several questions

2014-08-11 Thread Kevin Chadwick
? -- ___ 'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

tcpdump and circular logfile buffer

2014-08-13 Thread Kevin Chadwick
that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

Re: [Bulk] i config'ed the ethernet card, do I have to do vlan0 now? just need some help here...

2014-08-14 Thread Kevin Chadwick
to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

random.seed and read only root

2014-08-18 Thread Kevin Chadwick
streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd ___

Staus of stacked softraid root (RAID1C for root)?

2014-10-20 Thread John Merriam
of stacked softraid for the root partition? Any information you can provide would be greatly appreciated. -- John Merriam - refugee from the land of systemd

Re: AMD64 packages - Reflecting dynamic linking

2015-01-01 Thread Adam Thompson
disagree - to me, this smells like just another instance of jwz's CADT (http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html) cycle repeating itself. To me, this means that the day approaches where systemd will have its very own invasive CADT movement to deal with - this thought gives me a rare example to use

Re: AMD64 packages - Reflecting dynamic linking

2015-01-01 Thread Jorge Gabriel Lopez Paramount
. I'm not a hacker so I have no means to ponder your other arguments, but as a user you lost me with this. I'm running away from systemd so the concept of one package manager to rule them all does not appeal to me. http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html

Re: a thankyou to OpenBSD

2015-02-11 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
On 10-02-2015 22:26, Diana Eichert wrote: My day job entails a lot of Linux support, lately I've been dealing with the big screwup associated with network interface naming. WHY can't Linux follow BSD's straightforward NIC naming? This answer is a simple one: systemd It's positively bizarre

Re: Trying to move my httpd chroot

2016-03-19 Thread Kevin Chadwick
settable without breaking things. Not to mention a rogue web server may do extra damage like filling the filesystem up may prevent upgrades etc. etc.. Partitioning on OpenBSD is a lot saner than on 'modern' Linux where too much stuff now goes in /usr (now /!!), systemd cross links are one insanity. --

Re: Because in this day and age, there’s no one else doing what OpenBSD is doing?

2016-11-16 Thread Stuart Longland
interview was published July 2005. Do you think that "this day and > age" still applies? The way the Linux distributions seem to be running into the systemd abyss? Perhaps yes. ;-) -- Stuart Longland (aka Redhatter, VK4MSL) I haven't lost my mind... ...it's backed up on a tape somewhere.

Re: kernel_relinking failed

2017-11-21 Thread Roderick
it as the opposite of the systemd ideology. Rodrigo.

Re: Employers, Jobs and OpenBSD

2018-07-16 Thread Steve Litt
gt; OpenBSD? One reason is so that if the corporate powers succeed in making GNU/Linux into systemd/linux, I have a place to go for a simple, DIY OS I can bend to my workflow instead of bending my workflow to Poettering's vision. SteveT Steve Litt Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence http://www.t

Re: NFS keeps crashing

2018-04-21 Thread IL Ka
> I mean sponsors who pay for projects and compatibility updates. I also mean broader user base. IMHO: To increase userbase and attract serious sponsors attention, OpenBSD needs to be converted to "friendly-for-non-IT-people" OS like Ubuntu. Do you want to have polkit and Systemd i

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