Tiorbino composers?

2004-03-25 Thread Howard Posner
Anyone know of any music for tiorbino other than Castaldi's duets?

Re: Tiorbino composers?

2004-03-25 Thread Alain Veylit
Howard, I just ordered the Castaldi last week through interlibrary loan. Is it worth anything? A searching in Melvyl, the catalog of the University of California, does not indicate any other published material for tiorbino in their collection. Maybe RISM would have something. Perhaps some of P

[LUTE] Re: live lute performances recorded with a zoom h2

2008-03-17 Thread howard posner
On Mar 17, 2008, at 2:55 PM, igor . wrote: diego ( i hope you are not italian ) is there any recorded tiorbino ? Lee Santana and Wolfgang Katschner play two Castaldi theorbo/tiorbino duets on Feast of San Rocco Venice 1608 (Sony s2k 66254) Vincent Dumestre and Massimo Moscardo play four

[LUTE] 14 Course Powered Tiorbino

2017-03-05 Thread sterling price
So, as I did 23 years ago I took my old attiorbato and tuned it as a Tiorbino (that's an octave theorbo by the way). You have not lived till you've heard De Vissee on a solo Tiorbino. This very spiffy instrument can be used wherever a solo theorbo is used and it has the added advantage

Re: Tiorbino composers?

2004-03-25 Thread Howard Posner
Alain's response prompts me to clarify my question. I'm not looking for music that can be played on a tiorbino (I suppose any Italian or French theorbo piece could be played on a tiorbino). I'm asking whether any composer other than Castaldi specifically designated music for tiorbino. I think

iconografia sarmatica

2004-06-04 Thread Roman Turovsky
I have some fabulous new pictures in the REGIONAL iconography section, including a Cossack with a tiorbino at http://polyhymnion.org/torban RT

[LUTE] Tiorbino

2012-05-19 Thread sterling price
Hi all- Many years ago I strung my attiorbato as a tiorbino and it worked quite well. I only kept it that way for a while though as I wanted to try other things. Anyway I was thinking of doing it again and I have a few questions about tiorbinos. Were they always single strung

[LUTE] tiorbino

2014-02-26 Thread Bruno Fournier
dear collective wisdom, I am thinking of stringing my Colin Everette small archlute as a tiorbino. As some of you might know, Colin built many renaissance lutes on the tiorbino model, with 13 or 14 courses but was stringing it as regular Renaissance tuning with the diapasons in the same

[LUTE] Re: tiorbino

2014-02-26 Thread R. Mattes
On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:14:47 -0500, Bruno Fournier wrote dear collective wisdom, I am thinking of stringing my Colin Everette small archlute as a tiorbino. As some of you might know, Colin built many renaissance lutes on the tiorbino model, with 13 or 14 courses but was stringing

Re: iconografia sarmatica

2004-06-04 Thread Roman Turovsky
... As well as a new item for Renaissance Lute: Sarmatica III, in chapter 4. RT I have some fabulous new pictures in the REGIONAL iconography section, including a Cossack with a tiorbino at http://polyhymnion.org/torban RT

[LUTE] Re: Tiorbino - surprising new evidence

2008-02-05 Thread Rob Lute
Diego, did you read the essay? Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Tiorbino - surprising new evidence

2008-02-05 Thread Rob Lute
Yes, Diego, what is the introduction by Castaldi left out of the Minkoff print? Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: live lute performances recorded with a zoom h2

2008-03-17 Thread igor .
-- Forwarded message -- From: igor . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: live lute performances recorded with a zoom h2 To: Diego Cantalupi [EMAIL PROTECTED] diego ( i hope you are not italian ), is there any recorded tiorbino ? i would

[LUTE] Re: 14 Course Powered Tiorbino

2017-03-05 Thread Ed Durbrow
> I may do a video of De visee on the Tiorbino recorded in the back seat of my > mustang for a world first. You definitely should do that. Looking forward to it. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow http:

[LUTE] Tiorbino - surprising new evidence

2008-02-05 Thread Rob Lute
of interesting points: 1. all Italian harpsichords had fir soundboards, not spruce, as found north of the Alps. Did I know of any fir-soundboarded lutes? Well, I didn't. Can anyone contribute something here? 2. the tiorbino: here is a fascinating article from Grant's website, discussing a keyboard

[LUTE] Rare chance to hear Castaldi in Portland

2014-02-12 Thread John Lenti
theorbo-tiorbino duets, we'll also feature the Francesco/Matelart duets for unequal lutes, plus accompanied and unaccompanied guitar and theorbo music. The blurb, if you feel like sharing and helping to get the word out: CAPRICCI A DUE STROMENTI: 17th-Century Duets for Lutes

[LUTE] Re: 14 Course Powered Tiorbino

2017-03-05 Thread Anthony Hart
-- Forwarded message - From: Anthony Hart <[1]anthony.hart1...@gmail.com> Date: Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] 14 Course Powered Tiorbino To: sterling price <[2]spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu> I read with interest your post to the Lut

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-09 Thread Martyn Hodgson
' for this size of French theorbo) or, like the tiorbino, an octave higher. MH Diego Cantalupi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Martyn Hodgson In short, if you can you should just detune the first course and only detune the next if the second string is likely to break. So why making a double

[LUTE] Re: live lute performances recorded with a zoom h2

2008-03-18 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
True, Igor. Massimo Moscardo, who plays tiorbino for this Alpha cd, is a name that sounds very, very French indeed ;-) ! Best wishes, Gianmaria, francese === 18-03-2008 07:13:30 === -- Forwarded message -- From: igor . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7

Re: iconografia sarmatica

2004-06-04 Thread Roman Turovsky
And a pair tunes for Baroque Lute as well... http://polyhymnion.org/torban/torban4.html RT ... As well as a new item for Renaissance Lute: Sarmatica III, in chapter 4. RT I have some fabulous new pictures in the REGIONAL iconography section, including a Cossack with a tiorbino at http

[LUTE] Re: Tiorbino - surprising new evidence

2008-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
In fact my first performance of Castaldi's Capricci (in the same programma with Pittoni) was with the tiorbino part played on harpsichord - as it now appeares not to far from historical practice. Very interesting, thanks, Rob. Jurek ___ On 2008-02-05, at 10:55, Rob Lute wrote: I

[LUTE] Re: Tiorbino - surprising new evidence

2008-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
On 2008-02-05, at 14:21, tiorba wrote: In fact my first performance of Castaldi's Capricci (in the same programma with Pittoni) was with the tiorbino part played on harpsichord - as it now appeares not to far from historical practice. Very interesting, thanks, Rob. Jurek It's indeed

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-08 Thread Diego Cantalupi
From: Martyn Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] In short, if you can you should just detune the first course and only detune the next if the second string is likely to break. So why making a double reentrant tuning on a tiorbino? Diego To get on or off this list see list information at http

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-29 Thread David van Ooijen
Their tiorbino (Theorbo Bass Lute small ...) has (Stephen and Sandi's) description of the theorbood guitar (Theorbo Bass Lute medium). It even comes with Fontanelli's music! David - enough of this nonsense, back to work -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi

[LUTE] Re: Tiorba

2015-06-16 Thread howard posner
On Jun 16, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Roland Hayes rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org wrote: ..and Castaldi's illustration is phoney? The illustration you’re thinking of is almost certainly a tiorbino. That said, it’s inconceivable that in nearly two centuries nobody NO historical players ever used

Re: Tiorbino composers?

2004-03-26 Thread Jerzy ZAK
On Friday, Mar 26, 2004, at 08:11 Europe/Warsaw, Howard Posner wrote: ... in the latest Grove if memory serves, that Castaldi's pieces are among the few for tiorbino, which is either a statement that that there are others, or typical academic mealy-mouthed caution. Besard 1617 comes

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo Nicki don't lose that number

2009-02-19 Thread howard posner
, if someone wanted to be obtuse about it (not that anyone around here would be obtuse) he could argue that the tiorbino, like the theorbo, was strung in double re-entrant tuning because the instrument was built to such a size that it was impossible to tune it as an octave lute in A. There are such large

[LUTE] Re: 14 Course Powered Tiorbino

2017-03-05 Thread sterling price
My Tiorbino is 56.7 cm on courses 1-7 and I use a tuning that is one octave above a regular big theorbo at 415. The challenge is tuning the high b string third course. I just had Boston catlines figure it all out and it works great. I used nylgut but I don't remember what the b string

[LUTE] Re: Tiorbino

2017-06-06 Thread Martyn Hodgson
- Forwarded Message - From: Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu> To: Anthony Hart <anthony.hart1...@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017, 7:40 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Tiorbino Dear Anthony, Extant instruments can be a minefield - what were the

[LUTE] Tiorbino

2017-06-05 Thread Anthony Hart
A question about tiobino. The Cleveland Tiorbino on Wayne's site shows 6 +8. The bases are single strung. What is the opinion of this set up? If the basses are double should they be unison or octaves? There was a question earlier of the thiness of the 'b' (3rd). If the tension

[LUTE] Re: small archlute tuning suggestions

2007-11-23 Thread Bruno Fournier
Thx for replying, Well I never liked that 10 course, so I said what the heck, lets try something else with that. Unfortunately I was limited to the original 59 cm on the fingerboard without undergoing major surgery. Yes I'm kind of tempted by the Tiorbino idea, I understand it is quite

[LUTE] Re: theorbo size

2008-01-31 Thread chriswilke
of Italian solo music to be quite technically challening even on my small theorbo (76cm) which I currently have inauthentically tuned in A. And then there's always the tiorbino tuned an octave higher than the regular theorbo... Only Castaldi published for this, but I suppose it could have been in wider use

[LUTE] Re: live lute performances recorded with a zoom h2

2008-03-18 Thread igor .
Arcileuto tuned as Tiorbino...i mean they are French -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] wound strings in 120 CM length

2008-07-30 Thread Bruno Fournier
Can anyone give me the address of Pyramid and any other string supplier that would have strings in lengths of 120 cm or more. I have just finished modifying one of my old lutes into a small theorbized lute (tiorbino) but not small enough to accept my standard wound strings. thx -- Bruno Cognyl

[LUTE] Besard's Novus Partus

2014-05-21 Thread Thomas Walker
tiorbino, but that seems less likely outside of Italy that early in the 17th c. Thoughts? Thanks kindly, Thomas Walker, Jr. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Italian Theorbo: 6/8, 7/8, 8/8....

2014-08-14 Thread howard posner
On Aug 14, 2014, at 2:29 PM, R. Mattes r...@mh-freiburg.de wrote: Poor Castaldi - according to his own engravings he played an instrument that, according to modern folklore, was a typical french theorbo (rather small, single strung with a roundish/deep body). Unless it’s the tiorbino

[LUTE] Re: live lute performances recorded with a zoom h2

2008-03-18 Thread chriswilke
-string campanella trills while the tiorbino has trills slurred on a single string. Castaldi wrote it that way, but I wonder why.) My biggest problem was that the archlute/archlute-tuned-like-a-tiorbino, played thumb under, sounded _so_ much like a renaissance lute. Granted, there are a lot of runs

[LUTE] Re: Rare chance to hear Castaldi in Portland

2014-02-12 Thread David Smith
, February 16, 7:30 PM at the Community Music Center in Portland, OR ([1]3350 SE Francis Street, Portland, Oregon 97202) Besides the central element of the Castaldi theorbo-tiorbino duets, we'll also feature the Francesco/Matelart duets for unequal lutes, plus accompanied and unaccompanied

[LUTE] Re: Tiorbino

2017-06-05 Thread Martin Shepherd
Hi Anthony, The Cleveland "tiorbino" is a puzzle. The current bridge shows 6x2 + 8x1, but there are 14 pegs in the lower pegbox and 8 in the upper. My best guess is that in its original form it was a 11c liuto attiorbato, 7x2 and 4x2. The string length of around 61cm for the

[LUTE] Re: Tiorbino

2017-06-05 Thread Andreas Schlegel
Dear Anthony, There's one tiorbino made by Johannes Hieber and Andreas Pfanzelt in Geneva, Musée d'art et d'histoire, inv. no. IM 80. This instrument has a new soundboard with a new bridge, but the pegs give the following informations: petit jeu: 11 pegs (suggesting 1x1 + 5x2, 48.4 cm string

[LUTE] Re: 14 Course Powered Tiorbino

2017-03-05 Thread Anthony Hart
Anthony Hart <[1]anthony.hart1...@gmail.com> wrote: -- Forwarded message - From: Anthony Hart <[1][2]anthony.hart1...@gmail.com> Date: Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] 14 Course Powered Tiorbino To: sterling

[LUTE] Re: Tiorbino

2017-06-05 Thread Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
just for your information, I have a Tiorbino made by Colin Everett in Ottawa.. I tune it at standard Renaissance pitch (like a regular lute) my 7th through 13th course ( I don,t have 14 courses on this instrument, although Colin also made 14 courses) are singles and I have recently

[LUTE] Re: [**spam**] Lutes in Eastern Europe

2008-07-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
a tiorbino to me. RT ps I reorganized the picures, as they strayed out of category, and improved the navigation between the 5 pages. http://torban.org/mamai/index.html and the succeeding pages. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute

[LUTE] Re: wound strings in 120 CM length

2008-07-30 Thread Charles Browne
] wound strings in 120 CM length Can anyone give me the address of Pyramid and any other string supplier that would have strings in lengths of 120 cm or more. I have just finished modifying one of my old lutes into a small theorbized lute (tiorbino) but not small enough to accept my standard wound

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-29 Thread Garry Warber
depends upon which expert is looking at it... :-) Garry -Original Message- From: David van Ooijen Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:21 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? Their tiorbino (Theorbo Bass Lute small ...) has (Stephen and Sandi's) description

[LUTE] Re: Besard's Novus Partus

2014-05-21 Thread Martin Shepherd
for his Nova Testudo? The other lutes seem pretty clearly to be 9 or 10 course instruments a 4th apart. The top lute, to me, looks like he's assuming reentrant tuning. I'm tempted to think of Castaldi's tiorbino, but that seems less likely outside of Italy that early in the 17th c

[LUTE] Re: 14 Course Powered Tiorbino

2017-03-06 Thread Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
I've alway been tempted to try to tune as tiorbino, never tried it, I have the perfect small archlute for it.. 60-92 but I've always tuned it in renaissance tuning, had wound strings on 5th trhough 13th, but now using loaded nylgut. I have two such instruments, maybe I should try

[LUTE] Re: 14 Course Powered Tiorbino

2017-03-05 Thread Anthony Hart
at 4:54 PM sterling price <[1]spiffys84...@yahoo.com> wrote: My Tiorbino is 56.7 cm on courses 1-7 and I use a tuning that is one octave above a regular big theorbo at 415. The challenge is tuning the high b string third course. I just had Boston catlines figure it a

[LUTE] small archlute tuning suggestions

2007-11-23 Thread Bruno Fournier
to use as much gut as possible. Should I: a) try reentrant tuning in G ( 1st course and/or 2nd course) b) reentrant tuning in A c) or tune like a Tiorbino ( using traditional renaissance tuning with 4th to 13th course tuned an octave up, therefore creating re-entrant tuning but all up one octave

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-29 Thread David van Ooijen
.  This stuff greatly depends upon which expert is looking at it...  :-) Garry -Original Message- From: David van Ooijen Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:21 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? Their tiorbino (Theorbo Bass Lute small ...) has (Stephen

[LUTE] Attiorbato

2012-05-25 Thread sterling price
Hi--Last week I asked the list about tuning my 14 course attiorbato as a tiorbino...well I decided to keep it as a liuto attiorbato. I had not played it at all for several years and I am now having a blast playing some of the archlute rep as well as ren lute music including Dowland

[LUTE] Re: Besard's Novus Partus

2014-05-21 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
tiorbino, but that seems less likely outside of Italy that early in the 17th c. Thoughts? Thanks kindly, Thomas Walker, Jr. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Tiorba

2015-06-17 Thread Martyn Hodgson
: ..and Castaldi's illustration is phoney? The illustration you're thinking of is almost certainly a tiorbino. That said, it's inconceivable that in nearly two centuries nobody NO historical players ever used single-strung archlutes. It was as easy for them to do it as for us

Re=3A?=_?=_Re=3A?= 14 Course Powered Tiorbino

2017-03-05 Thread Ralf Mattes
Am Sonntag, 05. März 2017 15:37 CET, Anthony Hart schrieb: >I do not think my message got transmitted. > >I read with interest your post to the Lute discussion group.I have been >thinking of doing the same with my attiorbato. I have problems in >

[LUTE] Re: Tiorbino, by Castaldi

2008-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
per moglie havuto un figliuoletto vago, e piacevole, che più al Altezza de la Madre che a la Maiestà del genitore rassomigliandosi, Tiorbino fù chiamato, visto l'aplauso universale che in omni genere musicorum si dava a la Donna al putto, come lieto di una tal successione, così mezzo

[LUTE] Re: Besard's Novus Partus

2014-05-22 Thread jean-michel Catherinot
I don't understand the text of Besard like that (nor Souris did, and he explain that widely in his introduction of the CNRS Besard). All the courses from 10th to 3rd are an octave up, and the 2 top strings are as normal G lute (so re-entrant tuning, not far from tiorbino). Le

[LUTE] Re: Besard's Novus Partus

2014-05-22 Thread Rob MacKillop
in his introduction of the CNRS Besard). All the courses from 10th to 3rd are an octave up, and the 2 top strings are as normal G lute (so re-entrant tuning, not far from tiorbino). Le Mercredi 21 mai 2014 23h45, Thomas Walker twlute...@hotmail.com a ecrit : Thanks kindly, everyone

[LUTE] Re: Besard's Novus Partus

2014-05-22 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
of Besard like that (nor Souris did, and he explain that widely in his introduction of the CNRS Besard). All the courses from 10th to 3rd are an octave up, and the 2 top strings are as normal G lute (so re-entrant tuning, not far from tiorbino). Le Mercredi 21 mai 2014 23h45, Thomas Walker twlute

[LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo

2011-08-11 Thread Taco Walstra
tiorbino usied in the italian Castaldi music has the 2 top course reentrant, if I remember well. But what is the problem with the second course? As you can see in the list by David he uses 0.78 mm. that's not 0.36 or whatever. with archlutes in G you encounter such problems, not theorbos. If you

[LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo

2011-08-11 Thread David Smith
the pieces by visee which exist in staff notation and theorbo tablature). Even the small tiorbino usied in the italian Castaldi music has the 2 top course reentrant, if I remember well. But what is the problem with the second course? As you can see in the list by David he uses 0.78 mm. that's not 0.36

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-29 Thread Edward C. Yong
correspond respectively to BH's tiorbino and theorboed guitars Awfully curious - I was already amazed enough that they were making baroque guitars, but tiorbini and chittare attiorbate as well? I was under the impression that these were extremely niche instruments. Is there enough of a market

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-29 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
are correct looking from their background.  This stuff greatly depends upon which expert is looking at it...  :-) Garry -Original Message- From: David van Ooijen Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:21 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? Their tiorbino

[LUTE] Re: Bellorofonte Castaldi

2011-09-07 Thread wikla
. She played the tiorbino part. Worked very well, but we did not have time enough to perform the piece. On Wed, 7 Sep 2011 08:32:28 +, Dominic Robillard ubaldrosa...@hotmail.de wrote: Hello Lute listers, Perhaps some of you may have some interest in the music Bellorofonte Castaldi

[LUTE] Re: Besard's Novus Partus

2014-05-21 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
. The top lute, to me, looks like he's assuming reentrant tuning. I'm tempted to think of Castaldi's tiorbino, but that seems less likely outside of Italy that early in the 17th c. Thoughts? Thanks kindly, Thomas Walker, Jr. -- To get on or off this list see list

[LUTE] Re: Besard's Novus Partus

2014-05-22 Thread Martyn Hodgson
to be 9 or 10 course instruments a 4th apart. The top lute, to me, looks like he's assuming reentrant tuning. I'm tempted to think of Castaldi's tiorbino, but that seems less likely outside of Italy that early in the 17th c. Thoughts? Thanks kindly, Thomas Walker

RE: Besard / Isagoge

2003-10-20 Thread Spring, aus dem, Rainer
or tiorbino. By the way it's the novus partus. The Isagoge is a lute tutor - in German. Best wishes, Rainer aus dem Spring IS department, development Tel.: +49 211-5296-355 Fax.: +49 211-5296-405 SMTP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Stewart McCoy [mailto:[EMAIL

[LUTE] Re: Tiorbino - surprising no evidence

2008-02-05 Thread Jerzy Zak
Dear Diego, On 2008-02-05, at 21:51, Diego Cantalupi wrote: Changing instrumentation in music of the time is as natural as breathing. Almost all title pages of printed music testify to it. Not so easy... it's very difficult, if not impossible, to find any music for theorbo in mensural

[LUTE] Re: baroque mandolin picking

2009-05-06 Thread David van Ooijen
. For sure, but this is for an all-arrangements programme anyway. Not me playing, by the way, a theorbo pupil brought her mandolin friend. The Castaldi is obviously for tiorbino (the mother of all toy theorbos) and theorbo. The arrangements were well done, but the full chords of the theorbo could

[LUTE] Re: long strings?

2011-08-29 Thread dwinheld
at it... :-) Garry -Original Message- From: David van Ooijen Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:21 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: long strings? Their tiorbino (Theorbo Bass Lute small ...) has (Stephen and Sandi's) description of the theorbood guitar

[LUTE] Re: Besard's Novus Partus

2014-05-21 Thread Thomas Walker
instrument Besard wanted for his Nova Testudo? The other lutes seem pretty clearly to be 9 or 10 course instruments a 4th apart. The top lute, to me, looks like he's assuming reentrant tuning. I'm tempted to think of Castaldi's tiorbino, but that seems less likely outside

[LUTE] Re: continuo

2005-10-08 Thread Eric Hansen
Very good recommendations. Castaldi's _Cappricci a due stromenti cioe tiorba e tiorbino e per sonar solo varie sorti di balli fantasticarie_ is also instructive for the songs in it, set for solo voice. The accompaniment is a bass line, beneath which is a realization in tablature for theorbo

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-08 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
for continuo, is 80 cm on the fingerboard and I have not particularly small hands, being more than 6 ft tall, but I must confess I have already quite a handful of it... My smaller theorbo, which I occasionally use for continuo too :) is 73 cm, and that would almost make a tiorbino of it if I understand

[LUTE] Stephen Barber

2008-02-21 Thread Martyn Hodgson
in D; or the tiorbino) from my comment. It is especially surprising that you oppose my position since all the double reentrant theorboes in A and G listed on your own website (other than your 'own design') are directly in line with it! ie in mm: 930, 895, 860, 860, 890, 984, 900, 840, 865

[LUTE] Re: Non-Toy Theorbo for rent

2009-02-17 Thread howard posner
to be double re-entrant. It does not say that double re-entrant tuning (or single re-entrant, for that matter) is invariably limited to instruments of a certain size. It tells us nothing about Castaldi or Pittoni. It does not explain the tiorbino. -- To get on or off this list see list information

[LUTE] Re: baroque mandolin picking

2009-05-06 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
brought her mandolin friend. The Castaldi is obviously for tiorbino (the mother of all toy theorbos) and theorbo. The arrangements were well done, but the full chords of the theorbo could not be matched by the mandolin. The faster chord sequences could be played non-broken by the theorbo

[LUTE] Re: Besard's Novus Partus

2014-05-22 Thread Ron Andrico
Besard wanted for his Nova Testudo? The other lutes seem pretty clearly to be 9 or 10 course instruments a 4th apart. The top lute, to me, looks like he's assuming reentrant tuning. I'm tempted to think of Castaldi's tiorbino, but that seems less likely

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-02-02 Thread howard posner
which is hardly justifiable (If it's correct, you've proved that the tiorbino never existed). Players obviously liked its possibilities and gleefully exploited it in solo music. The ones that come to mind include: Praetorius (1620): Lang Romanische Theorbo:Chitarron). Scaled engraving

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-08 Thread Martyn Hodgson
not particularly small hands, being more than 6 ft tall, but I must confess I have already quite a handful of it... My smaller theorbo, which I occasionally use for continuo too :) is 73 cm, and that would almost make a tiorbino of it if I understand well... ;-) ! Best, Jean-Marie Martyn wrote

[LUTE] Re: Choosing Strings

2008-05-25 Thread Martyn Hodgson
instruments at a significantly higher nominal pitch (eg the lesser French Theorbo in D; or the tiorbino) from my comment. It is especially surprising that you oppose my position since all the double reentrant theorboes in A and G listed on your own website (other than your 'own design') are directly

[LUTE] Non-Toy Theorbo for rent

2009-02-19 Thread Stewart McCoy
disappointed that Mace does not mention Pittoni and Castaldi, that he doesn't discuss the tiorbino, that he doesn't give exact measurements of the size of instruments and their strings, and doesn't talk about pitch. The implication is that the information to be gleaned from Musick's Monument

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G? Plus some guidelines

2008-02-03 Thread Martyn Hodgson
if you assume that necessity was the only reason for double reentrant, an assumption which is hardly justifiable (If it's correct, you've proved that the tiorbino never existed). Players obviously liked its possibilities and gleefully exploited it in solo music. The ones that come to mind include

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo in G/A? Plus some guidelines

2008-02-03 Thread Jerzy Zak
they had to be; smaller theorbos didn't have to be, therefore they never were. This makes sense only if you assume that necessity was the only reason for double reentrant, an assumption which is hardly justifiable (If it's correct, you've proved that the tiorbino never existed). Players obviously liked

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-08 Thread Martyn Hodgson
and I have not particularly small hands, being more than 6 ft tall, but I must confess I have already quite a handful of it... My smaller theorbo, which I occasionally use for continuo too :) is 73 cm, and that would almost make a tiorbino of it if I understand well... ;-) ! Best, Jean-Marie

[LUTE] Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-04 Thread Martyn Hodgson
that the tiorbino never existed). Players obviously liked its possibilities and gleefully exploited it in solo music. The ones that come to mind include: Praetorius (1620): Lang Romanische Theorbo:Chitarron). Scaled engraving showing an instrument with six fingered and 8 long bass courses, fingered

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo

2008-02-04 Thread Martyn Hodgson
didn't have to be, therefore they never were. This makes sense only if you assume that necessity was the only reason for double reentrant, an assumption which is hardly justifiable (If it's correct, you've proved that the tiorbino never existed). Players obviously liked its possibilities

[LUTE] Re: Besard's Novus Partus

2014-05-22 Thread David van Ooijen
or 10 A A course A Ainstruments a 4th apart. The top lute, to me, looks like he's A A assuming A Areentrant tuning. I'm tempted to think of Castaldi's tiorbino, A A but A Athat seems less likely outside of Italy that early in the 17th

[LUTE] Re: Pittoni's theorbo?

2008-02-04 Thread Monica Hall
reentrant because they had to be; smaller theorbos didn't have to be, therefore they never were. This makes sense only if you assume that necessity was the only reason for double reentrant, an assumption which is hardly justifiable (If it's correct, you've proved that the tiorbino never existed

[LUTE] Re: Besard's Novus Partus

2014-05-23 Thread Thomas Walker
A A for A A his A ANova Testudo? The other lutes seem pretty clearly to be 9 or 10 A A course A Ainstruments a 4th apart. The top lute, to me, looks like he's A A assuming A Areentrant tuning. I'm tempted to think of Castaldi's tiorbino

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Castaldi duets notated?

2011-06-27 Thread Hilbert Jörg
- Original Message - From: [1]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: [2]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Cc: [3]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 6:05 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Castaldi duets notated? Does any kind soul happen to have the duets to tiorba tiorbino

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ton Koopperson - pitch of J S B Cantatas (YouTube)

2009-09-05 Thread David Rastall
, some of it in easily digestible list form, about different pitches in different places. I've found it a useful source of information, particularly in debates over such earth-shaking issues as the Great Toy Theorbo Debate. Is that anything like the archmandora vs. octave-srung tiorbino? I can

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo

2011-08-11 Thread Martyn Hodgson
of the tiorbino since you seemed to mention it as an example of a small theorbo which had both upper courses at the lower octave without seeming to realise that the tiorbino is tuned an octave higher than the theorbo thus obliging both upper courses to be lowered the octave. The small

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo

2011-08-11 Thread Martyn Hodgson
an octave down - see the late Bob Spencer's paper in Early Music: still probably the best summary of the instrument and its tuning. The tiorbino is tuned an octave higher than the tiorba so naturally the string stress on the second course would exceed breaking stress if not lowered