Check out East Stroudsburg University -- I've read in the local papers that
they were offering a 4 year degree in this.  It just started, and haven't
heard anything about it.

You can learn more here:

http://www.esu.edu/cpsc/security/csecwebpage.htm

--Brad



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-----Original Message-----
From: William Laubernds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 3:06 PM
To: Nick Patellis; 'Coffey, Christopher S.'; 'william taylor';
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: certification advice


Hello All,
I have a similar question to the one that was asked earlier.   I'm in 11th 
grade and have pretty much made up my mind to take the path of going to 
college.  I was wondering if there are any good colleges that you might 
recommend to me that specialize in networking security as a major(looking
for 
Bachelors degree if available).  

Thanks,
William 

> Here is my view:
>
> IF you have the time the 4 yr degree always wins in the end.  Especially
in
> a time of a economic slowdown.  I live in central Fla and I can say that a
> degree w\o experience is better than a cert w\o exp.  However, it does
take
> commitment! Of all the areas where I believe this is true is in SW
> development.  Anybody can pickup a C++ book and with a lot of effort, be a
> good "programmer".  Very few can truly become good SW Engineers.  There is
> a big difference between the two.  I have worked with both types and the
SW
> Engineer is the way to go and will always be ahead in the hiring process.
>
> BTW, I am NOT a programmer, just a humble security type.
>
> Regards
>
> Nick
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Nick Patellis
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Coffey, Christopher S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 2:15 PM
> To: 'william taylor'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: certification advice
>
> Ok, There are two basic paths to take depending on your situation.
>
> 1- Go to college and get a good technical degree (Computer science or
> Electrical Engineering) so at 22-23 years of age you get your first job,
> with a degree and some type of part time work experience (while in
college)
> you should be able to start out around $40k/ish. After 4-5 years 
> experience and a few certifications under your belt you should be in the
> $70-80k range depending on the cost of living in the area you work.
>
> 2- The other route (this is how I went) its a bit harder but some think
its
> better (all about how you want to get there)
> After high school I joined the Navy and went into a IT field as a computer
> specialist. After 10 years, I moved into the Civilian side with a AS
degree
> and a couple of certifications and 10 years of IT experience. I was able
to
> make 60k+ right out the door. Now as I get some more civilian experience
> and work toward my BS degree I'll be able to move up toward the $100k
> range...
>
> These are but two examples, it really boils down to you either have to go
> to school (buy your education), or work your way up from the bottom
> (apprentice), the more you learn- and the faster you learn, the faster you
> will climb the ladder. As far as getting the experience and applied
> knowledge they just take time.
>
> Chris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: william taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 2:42 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: certification advice
>
>
> i am a beginner in security, and i am going to be starting on my A+
> certification course pretty soon.  i had a question regarding your talk of
> "experience" and "applied knowledge."  how exactly does a person GET this
> experience and applied knowledge?  is it from a job (in which case, how do
> you get the job without experience)?  or is it from being an "apprentice,"
> if you will (in which case, how do you become an apprentice)?  i am still
> in
>
> high school, and so i was just wondering which path to take, how to get
> there, etc...  anyone with any imput would be a great help
>
> charles

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