Hello all.

After watching this list for a few weeks and following one thread regarding
Instant Messengers, I have this to say.  I HATE INSTANT MESSENGERS.

It is virtually impossible to block them with a firewall.

Here is my experience with each thus far.

AOL Instant Messenger - Ok, I have been able to block this one with pretty solid
results.  I had to pretty much block 1 class C's worth of addresses in the 64
region of AOL's address range, but have not heard any complaints thus far.  The
program is pretty damn smart about getting around rules in your firewall.  It
will try and use FTP, TELNET, HTTP, FINGER, NETBIOS over IP, APPLETALK over IP,
1080 (SOCKS), 1024, Lotus Notes (TCP 1352) and a few others.  I pretty much
locked the subnet down but AIM was somehow getting through.  I finally figured
out that my CheckPoint firewall was allowing DNS traffic outbound in my rule
base above rule 1.  I had to go to the Properties section and disable the
implicit access to DNS (TCP/UDP 53).  Once I did that, it killed AIM altogether.

Yahoo Instant Messenger - Ok, this program sucks in that they spread out their
Authentication servers across multiple machines and subnets.  The shotgun
aproach to locking down a full subnet backfired when people started to complain
about not being able to access Yahoo! web mail or Yahoo Finance.  I still have
more work to do on this one.

MSN - Eegad.  This is probably the most difficult to block.  From my
investigation, if port 1864 is blocked (MSN's Auth port), it will use HTTP and
access one of the main MSN pages.  So, I have a choice; kill off access to MSN
outright or allow MSN to run if people manage to install it.  :(

ICQ - I have not even played with this one yet, but as I remember, it will also
auto-hack to get around firewalls.

PROPOSAL:
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I'd like to compile as complete a list as possible of ALL IP addresses of the
hosts that the IM clients will attempt to connect to.  Its a lot of work on the
firewall, but its the only way I can see to stop the IM traffic and still allow
web traffic to remain as unaffected as possible.

If you want to mail me your IPs, I'll compile a list and post them on my web
site.

Thanks,

Craig Brauckmiller








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