If all you had to worry about is

"Many people would be able to view my transactions such as employees from
the bank and IT personnel's. They would also have access to my account. In
fact, anybody just by calling the bank
on the phone, with my personal details would be able to access my account
over the phone."

then get over it.  All of that is available today, without adding internet
banking into the mix.

Don't believe me?  With just somebody's account number, you can usually call
the bank branch and ask "I have a check from xyz for $000, and wanted to
make sure funds are available before I deposit it".  They will usually
confirm it for you right over the phone, no ?s asked.  They won't tell you
how much is in the account, but they will say "yes funds are available" or
"no".  With a couple of calls (asking about a mythical $250, $500 and then
$2500 check) to different branches of the bank, you can get a pretty good
idea how much is on deposit.

Most banks require you to have 128-bit security on your browser.  Is that
secure?  Maybe - it's certainly beyond the ability of casual crackers to
break.  Three letter agencies?  That may be a different story, but for the
majority of us, we're probably not of interest to them (or more precisely if
we are of interest to them, we have much bigger problems than internet
banking issues).

Does "Internet" banking - whatever that means to your bank and software
provider - place confidential information in other places.  Probably.

Quicken and CheckFree (their service provider) have account and payee
information for anybody I've paid electronically.  My transactions route
through Quicken's software to the various banks, credit cards, etc.
Transactions route back from these companies through Quicken to my PC.  Does
this mean that Quicken and/or CheckFree have my account # and other personal
information on their servers.  Certainly.

Is the in-flight transaction information encrypted?  Yes.  Is it secure
enough (say triple DES or something else with a real history and analysis
behind it)(i.e. not ROT-13)?  ASK!

Are legal protections in place?  Maybe - depends on your country's laws and
the specifics of the transaction (i.e. US law makes a distinction between
credit and debit card purchases).

A lot of banks/credit card companies, etc. extend protection beyond the
statutory requirements to make customers "feel good" about using their
products (XYZ bank's: "use our debit card and be 100% protected from
fraud")?  Yes.  Are these worth anything?  Maybe...

Would taking advantage of those protections be a pain if necessary? Yes!

Could somebody crack into the server and steal lists of accounts.  Sure.
And we've all seen news stories about it... And that's much easier to do
than trying to intercept your transaction to the local water utility...

Buying online almost certainly puts your credit card # in places that could
be vulnerable.  Mom&Pop storefronts go online via a few canned scripts,
never updated and don't realize how vulnerable they are...

Banking online will also put banking information in places that could be
vulnerable.  The difference?  Banks know that they are targets, and have
long experience being targets.  They have security officers, formal
policies, etc.  Does that make banks more secure?  Doubtful...  Willy Sutton
(http://www.fbi.gov/fbinbrief/historic/famcases/sutton/sutton.htm) said it
best... (When asked why he robbed banks, Sutton simply replied, "Because
that's where the money is.")

Suggestions:

1. READ the security policy posted by the bank, credit card, whatever (e.g.
https://www.bankofamerica.com/signin/index.cfm?template=security_details.cfm
)

2. READ the privacy policy (continuing to pick on BofA just because I have
their page up: http://www.bankofamerica.com/privacy/)

If you decide to go ahead - and I think you have to realistically look at
the risks/rewards and make an informed and very personal decision.

3. Start small - just like people needed to make a few credit card purchases
to get comfortable, sign up and put only ONE account on-line.

4. Get a separate credit card account and use ONLY that one online.  Some
credit card companies even issue "on-line only" cards that don't have a mag
strip on the back, so they can't be used in stores.  Keep the limit small -
resist the temptation to have a $100,000 line of credit!

5. Monitor account usage - read your credit card/bank statement when it
comes in and call if there is ANYTHING you don't understand or remember.  It
could be that the book store in the next town over has a funny name or uses
a merchant processing service you don't understand.  Or it could be fraud -
that $19.95 - is it your ISP or an "online newsletter subscription" you
never ordered???

Ultimately it's a personal decision. You'll have to balance some very real
(and also unknown!) risks against the convenience and protections available.

-----Burton





-----Original Message-----
From: Jasmine Sim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 1:23 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Security Issues on Internet Banking




Hi!

I wish to get some views and expertise on the security
issues of using Internet Banking.

As a user, I see the benefits of having the
convenience of being able to see my transactions
online and paying my monthly bills without physically
leaving my home.

However, I know alot of people is still not be able to
accept this concept.  And I do understand their
concerns on the security issue that is involved.  I can
roughly visualise how many people would be involved
in the process.  Many people would be able to view
my transactions such as employees from the bank
and IT personnels. They would also have access to
my account. In fact, anybody just by calling the bank
on the phone, with my personal details would be able
to access my account over the phone. The idea of
banking over the Internet is scary.

One would like to think that it is safe to do my banking
on the Internet.  However, is it?  Is it safe for one to do
banking over the Internet? What are the security
issues involved? What are the measurements can
one take in order to improve the security while doing
internet banking?

I was wondering if anybody would be able to provide
their expertise and explain the process for me.  I
would also like to hear views or comments on the
idea of using Internet Banking.

Thanks!

Jasmine

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