Jay,
If everyone was ethical and did what was right, there would not be a
security industry. Fact of the matter is not all people are ethical, and
many people would do things that are wrong. On Tue, 2002-10-22 at 12:54, Stevie A. Jones wrote: > The disclaimer on PPV's, video rentals, and sports broadcasts speaks to > public display for the purpose of financial gain. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay DeSotel [mailto:jay@;interl.net] > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 3:22 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: WIRELESS THEFT > > > On 18 Oct 2002, ONEILL David J wrote: > > > How is using radio waves that are intruding into you purchased property > > different than me paying for moving my giant screen tv out into the > > front yard and showing the world pay-for-view movies that I purchased. > > None. I paid for the service, which is using bandwidth on the cable > > system, and I am not charging others to watch the movie. But I am also > > not preventing other from watching. > > Well, I might be wrong, but when you purchase a PPV movie, there is a > disclaimer saying that public display is not allowed, or something along > those lines. Anyway though, from a legal view, it does not matter if it is > ethernet or RF. Common sense should tell you that you should not be using > it, since you are not paying for it. I have never been one to follow along > with the "feign ignorance", and pretend we didnt know, approach. > > > If is strange though, the only ones that have a problem with this are > > people that have vested interests in getting into the pockets of the > > innocent - WISPs and tel com folks. > > Who else is there to have a problem with it? ;-). Like I said in my > previous email, they can very easliy prevent this from being an issue. > You will have a hard time convincing anyone that you didnt know you were > using a service that you were not paying for, to gain internet access. > > Bottom line, the original person who posted answered his own question > really. You know you are not supposed to be using it. If you get caught, > will you be in trouble? Maybe. Can they put you in jail? Maybe. Is it > worth the risk? No. > > Just my $.02 ;-). > > -- > Jay DeSotel > Systems Administrator > InterLink L.C. > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Voice-(319)524-2895 > Fax-(319)524-3175 > > If is strange though, the only ones that have a problem with this are > people > > that have vested interests in getting into the pockets of the innocent - > WISPs > > and tel com folks. > > > > Things that make you go hummmm. > > > > David J. O'Neill > > NEDSS - IS7 > > Parkway Bldg., 2nd Floor > > Phone: (503) 378-2101 ext. 364 > > FAX: (503) 378-2102 > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/18/02 02:53PM >>> > > I would have to agree with a previous post. Once you use a single bit of > > their bandwithto the world, it would be theft of service. If you simply > > use the network to play games with the guy next door, no problem. > > > > I work for a WISP, and have run into these issues before. I think what it > > comes down to really, is that they can prevent this, either they > > dont feel the need, or dont know how. > > > > -- > > Jay DeSotel > > Systems Administrator > > InterLink L.C. > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Voice-(319)524-2895 > > Fax-(319)524-3175 > > > > On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Ashcraft, Brian S (Contractor) wrote: > > > > > Let me just throw my .02 in here. I am not a lawyer, so I may be wrong. > > > > > > I have to believe that some where along the line, the cable companies > End > > > User License Agreement is being broken. They may have worked a deal > with > > > the local cable company to provide cable to the residents as part of > their > > > rental agreement. However, I have to believe that this deal is > exclusive to > > > them. Your interception and use of the signal (as a non-resident) may > > > infringe on this contract between the two companies. My guess is, > > > technically, you are breaching the EULA of the cable company, which may > (or > > > may not) open you up to legal troubles. > > > > > > Then again, I could be wrong :) > > > > > > Luck, > > > > > > -b- > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Johannes Ullrich [mailto:jullrich@;euclidian.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:49 PM > > > To: Amit P. Gandre; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: WIRELESS THEFT > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > Can someone tell me if there are any laws regarding wireless > > > > theft? > > > > > > I don't think Congress has caught up with this yet. But from what > > > I hear (usual disclaimer: INAL), you are free to pick up the > > > signal as long as you are not breaking any WEP or other login > > > restriction. Its kind of like CB radio. Everyone can legally listening > > > to you chatting on CB radio. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Collaborative Intrusion Detection > > > join http://www.dshield.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- -ATD- ------------------------------------------------------------- Secure Network Operations | Strategic Reconnaissance Team http://www.snosoft.com | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cerebrum Project | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -------------------------------------------------------------
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