Holy cow!! Geesh!! 

My advice to others is to always use best practices regardless of the OS
or applications. No one has created the perfect and totally secure
environment, not even Mr. Greer. If that is in error Mr. Greer, please
release it to the masses, we all sorely need your accomplishment (not to
mention huge savings in money for all those useless tools like IDS and
firewalls).

Best Regards, 

Dan Bartley

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Greer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 20:28
To: Dan Bartley; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Ten least secure programs

Or don't run programs that are the most insecure out of the one's out
there, and don't run a services that require you to need to use
firewalls, IDS, and anti-virus tools.

Not that these are bad things, they certainly can improve system
security, depending on the platform and what you run, but are not needed
if you choose the right software in the first place.


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