Hi, On Fri, Jul 31, 2026 at 02:08:48PM +0200, denis walker wrote: > EVERY time we have looked at this issue over the last couple of decades, > 'someone' creates background noise, finds problems, develops arguments > against and ultimately prevents any action from being taken.
Maybe this is related to a basic rule of public policy-making - policy
has to be *effective* and *adequate*.
Neither of the things usually suggested ("you fail to reply to a single
e-mail and all your resources are gone and your business will be
bankrupt") fulfill either requirement.
> A couple of
> people even said it in this thread. This WG has a reputation for not taking
> action. This has to change. That's why I'm suggesting a very simple policy.
> Here's a list of bad things. You must not do these. Do you have a problem
> with this?
Starting with a widely-agreed basis for what is considered "bad things" is
much better than the previous proposals (equalling "you are not replying to
your abuse mailbox" to "must be a bad person").
Stating "you must not do these" is also easy.
Claiming authority to then do things that would likely drive a company
out of business is where, I think, Nick does not agree with. Of course
there are clear-cut cases, where LIRs are provably accomplice to
abusers (and I'm all for kicking them out).
But what about the middle ground? Where neglicence and/or stupidity
leads to networks full of Joomla instances, being actively abused
by *other* people - how do you define the threshold for "ok, we close
down your business, goodbye"? Will that stand up before EU courts?
Gert Doering
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