Chris,

I don't totally agree with you that email is awkward for long-term complex
collaboration. The technical work of the initial ebXML initiative, the
ongoing work of the various UN/CEFACT work groups, the OASIS technical
committes, etc. have all used email listservs to conduct their very complex
and long-term standards specifications development and maintenance activites
in a global environment.

I'm subscribed to not only the X12N/TG3 web board at Washington Publishing
but also others and I find it wholly unsatisfactory. I do not receive
messages, I do not have notification of any activity taking place, and thus
I am forced to periodically try to access these various conferences, when I
think of it....all with a lot of hassle, etc. trying to maintain numerous
login ids and passwords. It's just a lot of hassle with not a lot of benefit
and I don't see very much substantial work being accomplished.

Further, the WPC web board again requires that I maintain a connection to
the Net and access the web board....something that's not able to be
accomplished while in airports, on airplanes, etc.

Rachel
Rachel Foerster
Principal
Rachel Foerster & Associates, Ltd.
Professionals in EDI & Electronic Commerce
39432 North Avenue
Beach Park, IL 60099
Phone: 847-872-8070
Fax: 847-872-6860
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Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:33 PM
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Rachel,
I agree that an email *interface* is a necessity for the reasons you have
stated, but email-alone is a very awkward venue for long-term/complex
collaboration.  As you know, Steve Bass has implemented WebBoard for the
TG3 "IG Harmonization" project and it can be made to "feel" very much like
a plain listserve, but retaining its excellent archive and search
capabilities.  In fact, WebBoard just released a version 6 that is
reportedly even more flexible... enabling it to be used as an "engine" in a
customized collaborative tool.  There may be better options out there, but
we DO have to replace these listserves eventually.  I'm seeing over 200
messages a day and nearly drowning in email!

regards,
Chris

At 07:05 PM 7/3/02 -0500, Rachel Foerster wrote:


>I disagree that a web-based forum be used rather than listservs. Not all
>participants maintain an active connection to the internet, especially
>since many of us travel and use airport/hotel time to review and respond
>to messages. Having messages pushed to us via email is far more preferable
>than have to connect to the web and then read message threads.
>
>
>Rachel Foerster
>Principal
>Rachel Foerster & Associates, Ltd.
>Professionals in EDI & Electronic Commerce
>39432 North Avenue
>Beach Park, IL 60099
>Phone: 847-872-8070
>Fax: 847-872-6860
><http://www.rfa-edi.com/>http://www.rfa-edi.com
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Bristor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 3:22 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [Removals] Re: Remove me from these lists please! Why Not..
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>
>
>Using email lists and/or email distribution lists are not conducive to
>long term projects and/or the sharing of information.
>
>Why can't there be a web-based forum?   Email lists have their place, but
>they are not conducive to historial archives or long term projects.
>
>Anyone that joins today, cannot see, search, or benefit from discussions
>of just a week ago, let alone.. months ago..
>
>The need for this will increase exponentially over the next 18
>months.  WEDI needs a web based forum and drop this email method of
>communication.
>
>
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