Thank you for the hint

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 6:21 PM Annetts, David (Mineral Resources,
Kensington WA) via SEGMIN <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Sergio,
>
> It's possible that LeroiAir can do what you need without an evaluation
> license.  LeroiAis is referenced in Raiche, A. et al, 2007
> <https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1071/ASEG2007ab114> as well as by
> a few other authors.
>
> While this can be used with Maxwell, it can also be used from the command
> line.
>
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> I presume that is homogeneous-halfspace apparent resistivity.? As long as
> they didn't heavily filter it (and it is likely they did) then you can
> forward model the apparent resistivity and height to get in-phase and
> quadrature, subtract the host I and Q (assuming it is significant) and then
> invert anomalies for a plate model. Rough, but better than nothing.
> Is there an apparent depth channel?? That would indicate a pseudo-layer
> (i.e. phase-amplitude) resistivity model, which would be better than an
> amplitude-altitude model.? If there is an apparent depth, add it to the
> measured altitude when you forward model the apparent resistivity to I and
> Q and it will do a better job of accommodating surface layers and/or
> altitude error.
> I'd be interested to know if EMIT includes apparent resistivity forward
> modeling in frequency domain.? (Don't tell them I said this, but them
> Australians don't do FDEM very well!? )? ?
> Greg Hodges
>
>     On Saturday, November 21, 2020, 03:08:00 p.m. EST, S E Geoscience and
> Exploration <[email protected]> wrote:
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>  Thank you, Greg.
> I should have asked that question in more simple?words: I am working with
> a dataset (5 frequency Hummingbird system) which contains only the
> calculated apparent resistivity. Measured amplitudes (In-Phase and
> Quadrature) are missing. Would that be enough to do plate (forward)
> modeling? I guess it is.?
> Perhaps it is best to contact EMIT to get an evaluation license.
> Regards?
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 2:08 PM Greg Hodges <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi, Sergio.I'm not sure I understand the question - or the problem - so
> maybe others don't either.
> If you're inverting (FDEM), the input is in-phase and quadrature
> (normally) and apparent conductance (conductivity-thickness product, or
> CTP) is a product along with the other plate parameters.??
> If you're forward modeling, the conductivity is an input as part of the
> CTP, and the EM response is the product, or output.? From that EM we can
> estimate a CTP (and then assign a thickness to get conductivity), but that
> derived CTP depends on the plate model used.? Changes in the size of the
> plate (particularly the minimum dimension) change the phase angle (or decay
> constant in TDEM) and therefore the estimated apparent CTP and
> conductivity.?
> Of course, when forward modeling you can use the size of the model plate
> in your calculation of apparent conductance, but then you should get back
> the initial model conductance (in the absence of other interfering factors,
> like host response).
> So, what kind of model are you running, and what are you trying to get out
> of it?
> Greg Hodges
>
>     On Friday, November 20, 2020, 05:17:12 p.m. EST, S E Geoscience and
> Exploration via SEGMIN <[email protected]> wrote:
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>  Re: Question about plate modeling with Maxwell?
> Dear all,
> It has been a while since I worked last with Maxwell.
> Do you?know whether we can model plates with just the calculated apparent
> conductivity and without the in-phase and quadrature amplitudes?
> Regards
>
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> Greg,
>
> I only have Grids (X, Y) of AppCond for the five pairs of
> frequency/geometry.
>
> Regards
>
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 4:41 PM Greg Hodges <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I presume that is homogeneous-halfspace apparent resistivity.  As long as
> > they didn't heavily filter it (and it is likely they did) then you can
> > forward model the apparent resistivity and height to get in-phase and
> > quadrature, subtract the host I and Q (assuming it is significant) and
> then
> > invert anomalies for a plate model. Rough, but better than nothing.
> >
> > Is there an apparent depth channel?  That would indicate a pseudo-layer
> > (i.e. phase-amplitude) resistivity model, which would be better than an
> > amplitude-altitude model.  If there is an apparent depth, add it to the
> > measured altitude when you forward model the apparent resistivity to I
> and
> > Q and it will do a better job of accommodating surface layers and/or
> > altitude error.
> >
> > I'd be interested to know if EMIT includes apparent resistivity forward
> > modeling in frequency domain.  (Don't tell them I said this, but them
> > Australians don't do FDEM very well!  [image: Emoji])
> >
> > Greg Hodges
> >
> >
> > On Saturday, November 21, 2020, 03:08:00 p.m. EST, S E Geoscience and
> > Exploration <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Thank you, Greg.
> >
> > I should have asked that question in more simple words: I am working with
> > a dataset (5 frequency Hummingbird system) which contains only the
> > calculated apparent resistivity. Measured amplitudes (In-Phase and
> > Quadrature) are missing. Would that be enough to do plate (forward)
> > modeling? I guess it is.
> >
> > Perhaps it is best to contact EMIT to get an evaluation license.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 2:08 PM Greg Hodges <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Sergio.
> > I'm not sure I understand the question - or the problem - so maybe others
> > don't either.
> >
> > If you're inverting (FDEM), the input is in-phase and quadrature
> > (normally) and apparent conductance (conductivity-thickness product, or
> > CTP) is a product along with the other plate parameters.
> >
> > If you're forward modeling, the conductivity is an input as part of the
> > CTP, and the EM response is the product, or output.  From that EM we can
> > estimate a CTP (and then assign a thickness to get conductivity), but
> that
> > derived CTP depends on the plate model used.  Changes in the size of the
> > plate (particularly the minimum dimension) change the phase angle (or
> decay
> > constant in TDEM) and therefore the estimated apparent CTP and
> > conductivity.
> >
> > Of course, when forward modeling you can use the size of the model plate
> > in your calculation of apparent conductance, but then you should get back
> > the initial model conductance (in the absence of other interfering
> factors,
> > like host response).
> >
> > So, what kind of model are you running, and what are you trying to get
> out
> > of it?
> >
> > Greg Hodges
> >
> >
> > On Friday, November 20, 2020, 05:17:12 p.m. EST, S E Geoscience and
> > Exploration via SEGMIN <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Re: Question about plate modeling with Maxwell
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > It has been a while since I worked last with Maxwell.
> >
> > Do you know whether we can model plates with just the calculated apparent
> > conductivity and without the in-phase and quadrature amplitudes?
> >
> > Regards
> >
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