Dear all,

I have always been told to keep my topics on anisotropy (yes, conductivity
is a tensor, not a scalar), or on ZTEM inversions, or on whatever the case
might be, on a one-to-one discussion, but US constitutional rights seems to
be a more interesting topic for the broader and international geophysical
community.

Regards


On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 7:01 PM Michael Asten via SEGMIN <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Colleagues,
> This discussion shows plenty of diversity, but somewhat lacking in
> inclusivity.
> We can forget the US constitution - irrelevant to an international
> society.  But remember that free speech also implies the right to say "I am
> offended by what you say".  Most of us will have made a blooper at some
> point in our international perambulations where we have crossed some
> boundary unintentionally (and to be clear, unintentionally is what happened
> here).  But when an offended party points out a problem in civil language,
> as has been done here, best to accept that honest statement and the reasons
> behind it.  And similarly for an apology.
>
> We still have 11/12 of the new year left - may it be a better one than
> last year for all of us.
>
> cheers,
> Michael Asten
>
>
> On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 at 13:41, Dennis Woods via SEGMIN <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> All
>>
>> I am not sure what everyone else thinks about this latest discussion on
>> SEGMIN, but I for one find it totally off centre to what the SEGMIN list
>> server is supposed to be about.  What was that now?  I don't know.  Could
>> it be ... geophysics?  And in particular, mining and mineral exploration
>> geophysics.  I happen to look forward to SEGMIN postings, and learn what
>> other folk's opinions are on various geophysical topics that are of concern
>> to me.
>>
>> People responding to SEGMIN posts have to realize and understand that
>> "reply" to a SEGMIN post means reply to everyone in the world who is
>> subscribed to SEGMIN.  Think about it for a second.  Do you really want
>> every mineral exploration geophysicist in the world to read what you are
>> about to say?  Or are you only prompted to respond directly to the postee?
>> If the later, then send your response just to that person.  Don't get the
>> rest of us involved in a discussion that is better left to other social
>> media sites.
>>
>> Realize that "reply" on a list server is the same as "reply to all".
>>
>> I like hearing from other mineral exploration geophysicists from around
>> the world on SEGMIN, on topics of geophysics.  (I am growing to like
>> international Zoom meetings even more!).  We are in noble profession.
>> Particularly as the world evolves to an environmentally cleaner solution to
>> global energy demands.  Because technological and scientific answers to
>> global problems inevitably requires resources to fuel those answers.  And
>> those resources, which always have to be mined economically, are always
>> harder to find.
>>
>> We mineral exploration geophysicists will always be on the forefront of
>> the quest to find resources.  Certainly nothing will happen without
>> geologist to understand earth processes, and geochemists to put it in
>> context.  But geophysics, and remote detection of mineral resources in the
>> ground, by inference or whatever, through the science of physics, is going
>> to play a huge part in our future.
>>
>> Let us us mining and mineral exploration geophysicists on SEGMIN, tackle
>> the issues of our science, and leave the social commentary to other media.
>>
>> Best to all,
>>
>> Dennis Woods
>>
>>
>>
>> At 04:50 PM 31/01/2021, Glenn Wilson via SEGMIN wrote:
>>
>> No offense, but that is a pretty weak apology. Citing your rights under
>> the US Constitution is professionally irrelevant as the SEGMIN mailing list
>> is international.
>>
>> Glenn
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2021, at 6:37 PM, Ken Witherly via SEGMIN <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Bob.
>>
>> I felt I had used a powerful image with respect but regret if
>> nevertheless, certain individuals felt aggrieved by the use of this
>> imagery; this was not the intent.
>>
>> As Bob also mentions, the American constitution provides us with rights
>> of freedom of expression which is one of the most important rights I hold
>> as an American citizen.
>>
>> Best/Ken
>>
>>
>> *From:* SEGMIN <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Robert
>> Ellis via SEGMIN
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 31, 2021 5:26 PM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Cc:* Robert Ellis <[email protected]>
>> *Subject:* Re: [SEGMIN] [External] Final Cut
>>
>> I doubt that Ken meant to offend anyone. I will defend Ken having know
>> him for about 40 years and have never seen a slight indication of
>> disrespect for various cultural backgrounds. We are fortunate to live in a
>> country of free speech (for the moment) and everyone from diverse
>> backgrounds need to just lighten up and get a grip. If you are a citizen of
>> the US you are an American. If your not an American please respect our free
>> speech while your here. I'm from Texas and pride of my heritage counters
>> all intended and unintentional jokes about Texans, of which there are many
>> and undoubtedly there now will be more! Bring them on babies.
>>
>> Robert Ellis
>> Ellis Geophysical Consulting Inc.
>> 9528 Xanthos Lane
>> Reno, Nevada 89521  USA
>> Skype: BobEllisEGC
>> If email returned try: [email protected]
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, January 31, 2021, 04:12:37 PM PST, Yaoguo Li via SEGMIN <
>> [email protected] > wrote:
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>> Just to follow up on our email exchange, and to provide a context for my
>> previous email:
>>
>> My reaction has nothing to do with culture or background. It has to do
>> with basic human respect. I don't think you would use an image of a group
>> of gulag prisoners of Soviet era, or a Rwanda genocide scene, for such a
>> "fun" posting, so I wonder why you would use this image in such a way?
>>
>> These are not your proverbial "sacred cows" as you refer to them.  What
>> an insult, although I am sure you didn't mean it!  You are not pushing the
>> boundaries, nor are you questioning the status quo. You are using an image
>> without the slightest understanding of, or care for, its context.
>>
>> Instead of dismissing someone as being from a different culture, wouldn't
>> pushing one's boundaries include putting some effort in understanding the
>> different cultures and a bit of historical context of things one chooses to
>> use?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Yaoguo Li
>>
>> > On Jan 31, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Yaoguo Li <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Ken,
>> >
>> > I may appreciate your light hearted approach, but your attempted
>> humorous use of this image is of poor taste at best and utterly
>> disrespectful on the other end of the spectrum. I suppose some thinking
>> just doesn't change!
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> > Yaoguo Li
>> >
>> >> On Jan 31, 2021, at 4:06 PM, Ken Witherly via SEGMIN <
>> [email protected] > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dear Colleagues
>> >>
>> >> I was confronted with three contractors, who for a variety of reasons,
>> did not make the deadline. However, their persistent and persuasiveness
>> were compelling and like our very brave citizen in Tiananmen Square in
>> 1989, their steely resolution won out.
>> >>
>> >> Best/Ken
>> >>
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