'Regular' users can be either wikitext familiar or completely computer
phobic. There needs to be both options simultaneously although I take your
point that there may an opportunity to make the 'edit' tab less obvious -
but I can't hide this functionality altogether. A way to use both would be
so nice and would really help leverage the value of semantic forms whilst
still leaving full edit available (we could make everybody happy). Users
really want to enhance the articles but don't want to be totaly abandoned.
Any other thoughts? Thanks.
Alex
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Yaron Koren <yaro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The most obvious solution to your problem is to hide the "edit" tab for
> regular users, for pages that have an "edit with form" tab - there's
> generally no reason for regular users to have both options, and this would
> prevent unwanted non-template text from showing up.
> -Yaron
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Alex Le Bek <alexle...@googlemail.com>wrote:
>
>> >>>>>a new template field that holds whatever you wanted the free text
>> As I understand it though this wouldn't pick up any additional content the
>> user might have added directly through the 'edit' tab?
>>
>> Would it be possible to collect up any non form content from an article
>> and stuff it in a special field so as I can then refer to that field by name
>> in the underlying template - I could then layout the free text with the rest
>> of the css behind the form templates. Has this been thought through many
>> times before?
>>
>> This would have the added advantage that if users interspersed (through
>> direct 'edit') the article form template content with stuff I could gather
>> it up during 'edit with form' and put it where I want it. Any help in how
>> form derived content and free text content can be equally well managed
>> during page layout is going to be a challenge for us as we have both kinds
>> of users to please. I still suspect I have misunderstood something?
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Yaron Koren <yaro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No, by its nature free text can't be queried, or formatted. The most
>>> obvious solution I can think of is to do away with the free text and create
>>> a new template field that holds whatever you wanted the free text to be used
>>> for.
>>> -Yaron
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Alex Le Bek
>>> <alexle...@googlemail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok - but is there a way for me to css position it explicitly eg a
>>>> {{{free text}}} param to refer to? Otherwise it seems like I am leaving a
>>>> lot to chance for a very important part of the article content. Users are
>>>> really enthusiastic about Semantic forms and all it brings them - but also
>>>> don't want to sacrifice the freedom to add their own non prescriptive
>>>> content. Many thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Yaron Koren <yaro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Well, if the layout is correct in the wiki text, then it's not a
>>>>> Semantic Forms issue; it's an HTML/CSS issue of one kind or another.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Yaron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 2:41 AM, Alex Le Bek <alexle...@googlemail.com
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Yaron,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am on SF 1.4.1, SMW 1.3, MW 1.13.0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The free text sentence is where I thought it should be in the
>>>>>> generated wikitext :
>>>>>> {{X
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> }}
>>>>>> My other thoughts are [[Top tip::Eat well and sleep well]]
>>>>>> {{Y
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> }}
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so I can't see why it doesn't sit in the flow of the document but nor
>>>>>> can I see how to control it's position properly. Is this what I should be
>>>>>> doing (in principle) to pick up any extra article content - for example,
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> manage content added via 'edit' to a page which also contains form
>>>>>> generated
>>>>>> content' ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Yaron Koren <yaro...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> That doesn't sound good... though I really should have asked a more
>>>>>>> basic question, which is: in the wiki source of that page, does the free
>>>>>>> text sentence also show up before both templates?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And if so, what version of SF are you using?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Yaron
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Alex Le Bek <
>>>>>>> alexle...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Yaron,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for coming back to me on this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have the Form:F:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> {{{for template|X...}}}
>>>>>>>> some stuff
>>>>>>>> {{{end template}}}
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> {|
>>>>>>>> |'''Other content for this article'''
>>>>>>>> |-
>>>>>>>> |{{{standard input|free text}}}
>>>>>>>> |}
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> {{{for template|Y...}}}
>>>>>>>> some stuff
>>>>>>>> {{{end template}}}
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Template:X which generates the html is like this:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <div class="MainInfobox">
>>>>>>>> ...asserts all the semantics etc in the form...
>>>>>>>> </div>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the form I enter this text into free text:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'My other thoughts are [[Top tip::Eat well and sleep well]]'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the actual HTML of the generated page I get this :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <p><br />
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My other thoughts are Eat well and sleep well
>>>>>>>> </p><p><br />
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> </p>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <div class="MainInfobox" style="margin-bottom:3px;">...</div>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How does the free text know where to go? I thought it might end up
>>>>>>>> floating about under the div but before the contents of Template:Y are
>>>>>>>> generated. Have I missed a way to say where it should be as with an
>>>>>>>> ordinary field? I now realize I don't understand the purpose of free
>>>>>>>> text -
>>>>>>>> couldn't I just use a {{{field...|input type=textarea}}} ? Sorry for
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> basic question but I need to be sure I have the 'free text' facility
>>>>>>>> correctly available on a site which has become(for good reason!) very
>>>>>>>> forms
>>>>>>>> driven.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Yaron Koren <yaro...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>> Can you clarify: does the free-text input appear in the wrong place
>>>>>>>>> in the HTML itself, or only in the page where the HTML is rendered?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Yaron
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:53 AM, Alex Le Bek <
>>>>>>>>> alexle...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I cannot see a way to control the position of the {{{standard
>>>>>>>>>> input| free text}}} content.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> {{{standard input| free text}}} is positioned in my form (after
>>>>>>>>>> an {{{end template}}} and before the next {{{for template...}}} but
>>>>>>>>>> appears
>>>>>>>>>> at the top of the resulting page content and outside of the
>>>>>>>>>> containing div.
>>>>>>>>>> Is there a way to refer to this content in the template and
>>>>>>>>>> explicitly lay
>>>>>>>>>> it out?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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