Hi Eep², E> Psst, that's where the "collaboration" part comes in. Surely you've heard of E> it...if not, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboration ;-)
E> By working with Gero (only current DPL developer that I'm aware of) in E> adding semantic support to DPL, you won't need to "reinvent E> the wheel" by adding it into Semantic Forms. E> DPL is basically a glorified E> Semantic MediaWiki (SMW) anyway, allowing lists of E> articles that link to other articles, and MANY other variations of list E> creation. I looked into it and flipped through the examples [1]. DPL seems much more integrated to existing MediaWiki metadata and seems invaluable for many admin and overview/comparison tasks. [1] http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php?title=Example_2 E> You (and SMWdevs) really need to familiarize E> yourself with it as it essentially replaces most of SMW functionality more E> easily without having to add odd link markup ("::" and E> ":="), dorking with relations/attributes/types/properties (whatever), etc. E> DPL takes existing MediaWiki functionality (links, E> categories, and namespaces) and simply combines them (set unions, E> essentially) that can replace most of what SMW is all about. Hum, well, then I have not understood what DPL can do. In SMW you can ask complex questions in a unified syntax whereas in DPL you need to look into each template you use in order to tell DPL how to interpret it. E> I'm finding using DPL to be FAR easier than SMW. Instead of showing E> complicated relations/attributes, I simple use DPL to generate a E> list of articles in a specific category that link to a specific word (and E> its redirects). So, instead of having to go to some E> obscure [[relation:weather]] page, I simple go to [[weather]] (which E> redirects to [[category:weather]]) and see all articles in the E> "games" category that link to "weather". I have not understood this. Why games? E> And the same with "wind" (which is E> an article in the "weather" category). Simple; basic, E> default MediaWiki functionality used intuitively without requiring extra E> database tables and increased server load looking up all E> those relations/attributes for EVERY page (which, in turn, slows down the wiki, causing pages to load longer). Performance is surely an issue for SMW. But I would be surprised if all rendering in DPL comes for free - it also has to do database queries to get the stuff to render together. E> To SMW-related devs (that includes you, Yaron, and Gero), I suggest working E> together collaboratively to find the best implementation E> of dynamic data in MediaWiki--and a GUI to easily manipulate it. DPL is E> perhaps the closest, integrating Simple Forms into its query E> page, but the connection between creating forms to generate tabular E> database-like articles for listing into tables or other various E> inclusion options (as DPL can do) hasn't been formed yet in Semantic E> MediaWiki. I see the big picture where all of these extensions E> can go once they come together and start working together--I hope you devs do too now... I can surely see some very nice points of DPL, but also see some things that SMW brings which DPL hasn't yet. So a fusion of both ideas would be nice. To me it seems that SMW makes creation of semantic stuff really expclit at authoring time, whereas DPL relies more on extracting existing templates, thus puts less burdon on the author. On the other hand, there was an experiment where the guys from Leipzip extracted data from templates and got quite a lot of noise. THings get especially hard when you want to query over more than one category, where different templates are used. If I compare the syntax: DPL: <DPL> resultsheader=__NOTOC__ __NOEDITSECTION__ category=African Union member states includepage=#History[350 img=pointing.hand.gif],#Culture[800],{Infobox Country or territory} dpl2 mode=userformat listseparators=\n{|class=sortable \n!Country \n!History \n!Culture \n!Area &<br>Population \n|-,\n|-\n|valign=top|\n=====[[%PAGE%]]=====\n,,\n|} secseparators=\n| </DPL> SMW: <ask format="ol"> [[Category:Country]] [[located in::Africa]] [[Population:=*]] </ask> Than for me it is not so clear that DPL is so much easier to use :-) Of course, if you read carefully, DPL has many instructions to tweak the generated result where SMW has only some pre-defined formats. Maybe we should start a challenge of what people want to query a wiki for and figure out whats really needed. And hwo to work together. 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