You could also look at the traffic hits coming in to Ontoworld; the
"Special:Version" SMW row has links to there, and all it takes is one person
to click on that link for you to find out about a site. That's how I often
found out about sites that used Semantic Forms, back when SF's version text
linked to Discourse DB, as opposed to a mediawiki.org page like it does now
(alas).
-Yaron
On Feb 12, 2008 5:52 AM, Markus Krötzsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Dienstag, 12. Februar 2008, Sergey Chernyshev wrote:
> > Basically there are two ways to resolve this - first is to invade
> peoples
> > privacy and just calling your web service and second is to add a button
> > into Special:SMWAdmin.
> >
> > First one is actually not that bad if you allow disabling it and
> document
> > it clearly in "Install" section.
>
> I think "invading peoples privacy" is not something we need to discuss.
> SMW is
> committed to preserve users' privacy. (But I think I still get your
> point.)
>
> Of course a web-service really would just need to know the publicly
> reachable
> URL of a wiki. If the wiki then is configured to not reveal statistic
> data,
> or not to gain access to certain services (robots.txt), then no further
> data
> would be obtained. Yet, I think automated announcement of SMWs is not
> desirable, but one could at least make it very easy to announce a new
> wiki.
>
> We could also think about how one can detect SMWs via Google. As I said,
> Special:Version is no good, but other features introduced by SMW may work.
>
> But first of all, it would be helpful to have a small system that can
> actually
> manage announced public SMWs: given a wiki base-URL, it should be able to
> retrieve the wiki's (semantic) statistics and extension versions
> automatically (respecting robots.txt), and to provide this data via some
> web
> interface. We could also connect this wiki registry with SMW on
> semantic-mediawiki.org.
>
> >
> > Another solution is to make SMWAdmin a useful page for admins to go to,
> > similar to Wordpress dashboard and make that page load news, check
> latest
> > version and notify admin about updates and so on.
>
> That would indeed be intersting, but needs some added functions. Embedding
> RSS
> and other external semantic data into SMW wikis certainly is on our list
> of
> future features anyway ...
>
> Markus
>
> >
> > Sergey
> >
> > On Feb 11, 2008 9:02 AM, Markus Krötzsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > On Freitag, 8. Februar 2008, Sergey Chernyshev wrote:
> > > > BTW, I noticed that you added Special:SemanticStatistics and updated
> > > > http://ontoworld.org/wiki/Sites_using_Semantic_MediaWiki to have
> "SS"
> > >
> > > link
> > >
> > > > next to each entry for the site (very few are operational,
> > >
> > > unfortunately).
> > >
> > > > Also, is there any automated way to add sites to that list?
> > >
> > > No.
> > >
> > > > Do you have any
> > > > way to tell where SMW is installed? With versions and stuff?
> > >
> > > No, and that is our grief. We have almost no way of finding SMW
> instances
> > > even
> > > if they are public and online. Special:Version is not indexed by
> Google,
> > > and
> > > many people hide the Factbox.
> > >
> > > We may set up an optional registration web service that can be used to
> > > announce an SMW wiki without all the pinging (in principle, we could
> do
> > > the
> > > pinging ourselves if we just knew the URL of a wiki). But that is not
> > > available yet. An automated statistics update could probably go with
> that
> > > web
> > > service. I think having a well-kept list of existing SMW's would also
> be
> > > useful to augment the docu of SMW by providing example wikis. Maybe
> > > semantic-mediawiki.org should have a "Semantic Wiki of the Month" or
> > > something similar. ;-)
> > >
> > > But currently we really rely on people telling us where SMW runs.
> > >
> > > Markus
> > >
> > > > Sergey
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 7, 2008 9:07 AM, Markus Krötzsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Newsflash: More than 11,500 SMW-documents registered. SMW takes
> over
> > >
> > > DOAP
> > >
> > > > > to
> > > > > become the 7th most widely used semantic web schema!
> > > > > http://pingthesemanticweb.com/stats/namespaces.php
> > > > > ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Obviously some people already started the script. Thanks a lot,
> > > > > especially to
> > > > > <http://sydneydirectory.org> which is the largest semantic wiki
> that
> > >
> > > did
> > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > ping so far! I strongly believe there is potential in getting one
> > > > > position further up in the ranking: the next milestone is SIOC at
> > >
> > > 70,000
> > >
> > > > > (since OWL moves up with SMW).
> > > > >
> > > > > (Please don't take me too seriously here, the absolute numbers are
> > > > > not reliable for the other vocabularies either; it's still fun to
> do
> > > > > the comparison ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Markus
> > > > >
> > > > > On Donnerstag, 7. Februar 2008, Markus Krötzsch wrote:
> > > > > > On Mittwoch, 6. Februar 2008, Sergey Chernyshev wrote:
> > > > > > > Markus, I believe this kind of pings should be happening upon
> > >
> > > update,
> > >
> > > > > not
> > > > >
> > > > > > > on a nightly basis.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh, I did not mean to suggest that you do that every night! We
> > > > > > would
> > >
> > > be
> > >
> > > > > > very happy if people on this list would do it once for their
> wikis,
> > > > > > just
> > > > >
> > > > > to
> > > > >
> > > > > > get a basic overview of the rough amount of semantic wiki data
> > >
> > > around.
> > >
> > > > > > (Currently the ping-script does not even consider the time when
> a
> > >
> > > page
> > >
> > > > > was
> > > > >
> > > > > > last edited.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can you incorporate it into saving process?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One could do that, but this would require to contact an external
> > >
> > > server
> > >
> > > > > on
> > > > >
> > > > > > each update, just like blogs do it. Not sure whether this is
> > >
> > > desirable
> > >
> > > > > for
> > > > >
> > > > > > a wiki in general. But there is an API for that [1]. Another
> option
> > > > >
> > > > > would
> > > > >
> > > > > > be to set up an independent registration server for SMW, and to
> > > > > > ping
> > > > >
> > > > > only
> > > > >
> > > > > > once for each wiki. Pinging does not reveal any non-public
> > >
> > > information
> > >
> > > > > > anyway, so a crawler that knowns SMW could also easily ping all
> > >
> > > pages.
> > >
> > > > > > Now that I think about it, we could include such a one-time-ping
> as
> > >
> > > an
> > >
> > > > > > option in SMW's adminsettings ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Markus
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1] http://pingthesemanticweb.com/api.php
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sergey
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Feb 6, 2008 2:07 PM, Markus Krötzsch
> > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Dear developers,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I did not see many people who did ping the semantic web yet
> > >
> > > (email
> > >
> > > > > > > > below).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In short, just run the maintenance script
> SMW_pingSemWeb.php:
> > > > > > > > php SMW_pingSemWeb.php -h http://ontoworld.org -t
> ptsw,sind
> > > > > > > > with "http://ontoworld.org"; being your server basename (no
> > >
> > > path).
> > >
> > > > > > > > Doing this would help us to get a better lower estimate
> about
> > >
> > > how
> > >
> > > > > much
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > SMW-based semantic data is out there, and we would really
> > > > > > > > appreciate that. Again, note that this does not expose any
> data
> > > > > > > > that is not
> > > > >
> > > > > public
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > yet anyway.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thank you for supporting the project,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Markus
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > P.S. You can find the results at
> > > > > > > > http://pingthesemanticweb.com/stats/namespaces.php (your
> wiki
> > > > > > > > should rise up
> > > > > > > > there instantly :-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Mittwoch, 23. Januar 2008, Markus Krötzsch wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > SMW 1.0 comes with a feature to announce your semantic
> data
> > > > > > > > > to Semantic
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Web
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > search engine crawlers. This enables semantic search
> engines
> > >
> > > to
> > >
> > > > > work
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > your data, and it also spreads your content and URLs to
> some
> > >
> > > more
> > >
> > > > > > > > > places
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > the web.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thus, if you run a public semantic wiki, you may want run
> the
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > maintenance
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > script SMW_pingSemWeb.php. Example:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > php SMW_pingSemWeb.php -h http://ontoworld.org -t
> > > > > > > > > ptsw,sind
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -h must be *your* domain, without any path (*not*
> > > > > > > > > http://ontoworld.org/wiki) -t is a list of services to
> > > > > > > > > notify, possible values currently are: ptsw
> > > > >
> > > > > http://pingthesemanticweb.com
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > (this site nicely shows your input) sind
> > > > > > > > > http://sindice.com(allows <http://sindice.com%28allows>
> > > > > > > > > <http://sindice.com%28allows>searches, not tested) (you
> are
> > > > > > > > > of course free to unselect any of those, depending on
> > > > >
> > > > > which
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > service you want to support; but both are closer to
> research
> > > > >
> > > > > efforts
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > to commercial use)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > More parameters (esp. start id/end id to continue
> cancelled
> > >
> > > runs)
> > >
> > > > > are
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > documented in script file [1].
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Maybe I should emphasise that the script does only point
> the
> > > > >
> > > > > services
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > to your OWL/RDF sources, but it does not send any further
> > >
> > > data.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > So
> > > > >
> > > > > it
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > expose any non-public information. Also none of the above
> > > > > > > > > services
> > > > >
> > > > > is
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > affiliated with SMW or Karlsruhe University. Finally, the
> > >
> > > script
> > >
> > > > > > > > requires
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > some time due to many small http-calls, but it needs only
> > > > > > > > > very
> > > > >
> > > > > little
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > bandwidth and CPU.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Summing up, my suggestion to you is to bomb the semantic
> web
> > >
> > > with
> > >
> > > > > > > > > your data ;-) Have fun (look up pingthesemanticweb.com to
> see
> > > > > > > > > your wiki's namespace statistics)!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Markus
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > P.S. If you also have another public service we should add
> to
> > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > script,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > feel free to say so.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > [1]
> > >
> > >
> http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/SemanticMed
> > >
> > > > > > > >ia Wi
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >ki/maintenance/SMW_pingSemWeb.php
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Markus Krötzsch
> > > > > > > > Institut AIFB, Universität Karlsruhe (TH), 76128 Karlsruhe
> > > > > > > > phone +49 (0)721 608 7362 fax +49 (0)721 608 5998
> > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] www http://korrekt.org
> > >
> > >
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > > > > > >-- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft
> > > > > > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008.
> > > > > > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > Semediawiki-devel mailing list
> > > > > > > > Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> > > > > > > >
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Markus Krötzsch
> > > > > Institut AIFB, Universität Karlsruhe (TH), 76128 Karlsruhe
> > > > > phone +49 (0)721 608 7362 fax +49 (0)721 608 5998
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] www http://korrekt.org
> > >
> > >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft
> > > > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008.
> > > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Semediawiki-devel mailing list
> > > > > Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
> > >
> > > --
> > > Markus Krötzsch
> > > Institut AIFB, Universität Karlsruhe (TH), 76128 Karlsruhe
> > > phone +49 (0)721 608 7362 fax +49 (0)721 608 5998
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] www http://korrekt.org
> > >
> > >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft
> > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008.
> > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Semediawiki-devel mailing list
> > > Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
>
>
>
> --
> Markus Krötzsch
> Institut AIFB, Universität Karlsruhe (TH), 76128 Karlsruhe
> phone +49 (0)721 608 7362 fax +49 (0)721 608 5998
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] www http://korrekt.org
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft
> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008.
> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/
> _______________________________________________
> Semediawiki-devel mailing list
> Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
>
>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft
Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008.
http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/
_______________________________________________
Semediawiki-devel mailing list
Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
