Hi Yaron, Thanks for your thoughts.
> really just mean "private"? It sounds like what you're talking about Private and offline in a sense that the form should be filled in without an internet connection. > And if that's the case, maybe the easiest solution is just to have a 2nd > wiki, with much more restricted viewing? Yes, but that would basically mean in our context to have a second SMW installed on a local machine (without internet connection) for the physicians. I was hoping to find an easier way to forward a form from SMW to someone else. After a form has been filled in, we somehow need to extract the RDF from it to be stored (securely) in our knowledge base (FTP server). But I guess, this is another problem. Best, Benedikt On 11/26/2013 05:30 PM, Yaron Koren wrote: > Hi Benedikt, > > It could be that there's some wording confusion: by "offline", did you > really just mean "private"? It sounds like what you're talking about is > people submitting data, via the internet/web, that then gets put into an > external server - only one that requires a password to access; as > opposed to the usual meaning of "offline", meaning something that people > can do locally on their computer, without any network connection. > > And if that's the case, maybe the easiest solution is just to have a 2nd > wiki, with much more restricted viewing? > > -Yaron > > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Benedikt Kämpgen > <benedikt.kaemp...@kit.edu <mailto:benedikt.kaemp...@kit.edu>> wrote: > > Hi, > > Bernhard, Yury, Yaron, Neill, thanks for your answers. > > @Bernhardt: the Push extension is interesting, but probably will not > help, here, since no information shall be pushed to the online wiki. > > @Yury: One important requirement is to have elaborate forms > (dropdown, etc.) and a flexible form design. Not sure whether Miga > could be easily extended towards this use case. > > @Yaron: > > > > - Would the offline form be just a copy of an online form? If so, > > doesn't that mean that sensitive patient data *can* get put on > the wiki? > > Ideally, the offline form would provide the same functionality > (e.g., autocompletion) than the online form. However, an offline > filled-in form will never be stored on SMW but rather be put as-is > on a secure file server. > > The question is, whether "as-is" actually is possible. Apparently, > we are looking for some kind of JavaScript library that allows to > offline modify an HTML page with forms and to save the modified HTML > page. > > > > - If a physician stores data offline, can other physicians ever > view it? > > The current plan is: After offline filling-in a form, the filled-in > form will be put on a secure file server. From there it can be > downloaded for viewing. > > > > - Where would the data be stored - on a single device? > > Ideally, the offline form could be used on various workstations. > When an offline form has been filled in, it is uploaded on a single > secure file server. > > > > - Would each set of offline data have its own RDF export? > > That is the crucial point and the reason for using SMW in the first > place. The online SMW is used to define properties for patients > (e.g., "has BMI"). An offline form shall now be used to fill in all > properties for a patient. An RDF export of the offline form shall > use the same properties as introduced by the online form. This way, > we have a unique relationship between properties as defined by the > online SMW and filled-in properties for a patient in an offline > form. Ideally, an RDF export from an offline form would create the > same RDF that would have been created if the form would have been > filled-in in the online SMW. > > Maybe, the RDF export of the offline SMW could also be implemented > using RDFa. > > > > - How would the RDF data be queried, if it requires FTP to access? > > The RDF data would be downloaded on demand from the file server and > for instance loaded into a triple store for querying. > > @Neill: > > > > What would the Physicians use to key in the data into the form? A > laptop > > or PC/Mac based laptop? > > Probably a PC with Windows. > > > > If this is the case there is nothing stopping them running a > local copy > > of MW/SMW and then simply uploading the data to the central > instance (a > > server somewhere I assume) using the normal MW export/import. > > True. We just try to avoid the additional effort of managing a local > copy SMW by having offline forms that create the same RDF as an > online filled-in form. > > I hope that makes our problem clearer. > > Best, > > Benedikt > -- AIFB, Karlsruhe Institute of Technology (KIT) Phone: +49 (721) 608 48941 Email: benedikt.kaemp...@kit.edu Web: http://www.aifb.kit.edu/web/Hauptseite/en ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, & PHP application. 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