We are exploring technology that allows us to non invasively monitor 
hemodynamics ( co/CI, SV,SVR,) we are also exploring opportunity to monitor 
CO/CI, SV.. with the use of an arterial line.

I have information on each if anyone would be interested , we could talk off 
line.

John Brady RN,BSN,CCRN,CNRN
Quality Nurse Manager
St. Mary Medical Center
760 242 2311 ( 5369)

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Subject: Re: [Sepsis Groups] Betr.: Re: volume required

Dr J : CVP is another useful measurement........regardeless of your opinion 
which I do not agree
What I do agree is that passive leg raising is  very helpfull, the most 
important is that one should use all the tools available

Regards

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Why don't you use Passive Leg Rising to see if a patient is fluid responsive, 
easy to use without any complication of overfilling and we all know that CVP is 
not the right measurement to see if fluid works.
So please stop using this as a measurement for fluid-responsiviness
J Krewinkel
RN ICU, circulation Practitioner
Atrium MC Parkstad
the Netherlands

Met vriendelijke groet,

J. Krewinkel
Circulation Practitioner
Atrium MC Parkstad
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Fluid challenge is one of the most dificult things to do....sometimes you just 
need 1 l of cristaloids on others you will use as much as 5 l.....as it was 
mentioned above the clinical response is the goal....o others you will need 
more tools like central venous pressure, svo2
Even measure the diameter of inferior cava vein all these to estimate where are 
you standing.....
Hope it helps
Juan pataro md
instituto argentino de riƱon y transplante

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Fecha: dom., feb. 10, 2013 10:59 a. m.

Fluid should be given until it fails to produce a clinically appropriate 
response. Pulmonary edema is sometimes a necessary evil.

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On Feb 9, 2013, at 1:15 AM, sandeep varma 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
hello all
i have a query regarding fluid volume requirement in sepsis. often have seen 
blood pressure improvement after fluid bolus but only to see it fall back after 
few minutes. the postulated theory behind this was leakage of given fluid into 
interstitial causing intravascular depletion again. my concern is that how much 
of fluid can be given this way? will this lead on to pulmonary edema and 
interstitial edema without much helping in building up intra vascular volume 
and aiding in stabilizing blood pressure?
sandeep varma
thriuvananthapuram
kerala
india
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