Re: Sepsis and antibiotic core measure pneumonia
Our severe sepsis septic shock antibiotic orders are broken up by suspected 
source. If community acquired pneumonia is suspected, source antibiotics are 
appropriate for core measurement  and severe sepsis, they really are not 
conflicting imperatives 

Daniel Gerard RPh
Critical Care Pharmacist
McLaren-Northern Michigan
Petoskey, MI
231-487-4770
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> Our hospital is beginning a sepsis clinical pathway. Up until now, we have 
> been near 100% with our antibiotic selection choice for the community 
> acquired pneumonia core measure.  There is a great deal of institutional 
> concern that we might begin failing this metric if we give broad spectrum 
> antibiotics to our severe sepsis/septic shock patients and they are 
> ultimately diagnosed with CAP.  How are other institutions dealing with the 
> conflicting imperatives? 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 08:07:49 -0800
> From: Mary Kay Bader <[email protected]>
> To: Sue Beswick <[email protected]>
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> Greetings all
> With e nation wide shortage of IV Normal Saline....which IV fluids are you 
> using. I've heard a few lectures by international and national speakers 
> recommending IV lactated ringers (except for renal failure). Is anyone using 
> LR?
> 
> Mary Kay Bader RN, MSN, CCNS,FAHA, FNCS
> Neuro/Critical Care CNS
> Mission Hospital
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>> On Feb 4, 2014, at 7:53 AM, "Sue Beswick" <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> With our severe sepsis flu admits, a number are being admitted without a 
>> broad spectrum antibiotics - only getting tamiflu.
>> We aren't using the sepsis database yet but hope to soon - would that be a 
>> fail?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Sue
>> 
>> Sue Beswick RN, MS, CCNS, CCRN
>> Clinical Nurse Specialist - MSICU
>> Greenville Health System
>> 701 Grove Road l Greenville, SC 29605
>> Office:  864-455-4884
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>> Under "oxygenation", am I correct to assume this pertains to intubated 
>> patients only?
>> 
>> Under "FIO2 0.5 or more, A-aDO"-is that the same as A-a Grad? What is this 
>> exactly?
>> "< .05, use PAo"-is this the same as PO2?, if not, what is it and how do I 
>> find it?
>> 
>> Appreciate your help!
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>> Regarding #3. On screen 2: in evaluating the acute lung injury, does the 
>> patient have to be intubated for this or just have an ABG?
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> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 14:57:20 -0600
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> In a septic shock patient, does a PICC line count as far as for SCVO2 ? Is it 
> accurate and will NICOM suffice to replace CVP monitoring ?
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> With our severe sepsis flu admits, a number are being admitted without a 
> broad spectrum antibiotics - only getting tamiflu.
> We aren't using the sepsis database yet but hope to soon - would that be a 
> fail?
> 
> Thanks
> Sue
> 
> Sue Beswick RN, MS, CCNS, CCRN
> Clinical Nurse Specialist - MSICU
> Greenville Health System
> 701 Grove Road l Greenville, SC 29605
> Office:  864-455-4884
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> Under "oxygenation", am I correct to assume this pertains to intubated 
> patients only?
> 
> Under "FIO2 0.5 or more, A-aDO"-is that the same as A-a Grad? What is this 
> exactly?
> "< .05, use PAo"-is this the same as PO2?, if not, what is it and how do I 
> find it?
> 
> Appreciate your help!
> 
> 
> Dian Nuxoll, RN, BSN Clinical Quality Analyst - Quality Management
> 425.899.2359  I  EvergreenHealth MS-62, 12040 NE 128th St., Kirkland, WA 98034
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> Regarding #3. On screen 2: in evaluating the acute lung injury, does the 
> patient have to be intubated for this or just have an ABG?
> 
> Dian Nuxoll, RN, BSN Clinical Quality Analyst - Quality Management
> 425.899.2359  I  EvergreenHealth MS-62, 12040 NE 128th St., Kirkland, WA 98034
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> I would think not, if it's a viral sepsis. Treatment with Tamiflu is 
> appropriate care for it, and it isn't bacterial.
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> -----Original Message-----
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> With our severe sepsis flu admits, a number are being admitted without a 
> broad spectrum antibiotics - only getting tamiflu.
> We aren't using the sepsis database yet but hope to soon - would that be a 
> fail?
> 
> Thanks
> Sue
> 
> Sue Beswick RN, MS, CCNS, CCRN
> Clinical Nurse Specialist - MSICU
> Greenville Health System
> 701 Grove Road l Greenville, SC 29605
> Office:  864-455-4884
> 
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> Under "oxygenation", am I correct to assume this pertains to intubated 
> patients only?
> 
> Under "FIO2 0.5 or more, A-aDO"-is that the same as A-a Grad? What is this 
> exactly?
> "< .05, use PAo"-is this the same as PO2?, if not, what is it and how do I 
> find it?
> 
> Appreciate your help!
> 
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> Subject: [Sepsis Groups] severe sepsis screening tool question
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> Regarding #3. On screen 2: in evaluating the acute lung injury, does the 
> patient have to be intubated for this or just have an ABG?
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