Hi,

So is there any chance at any time that CMS will re-review the criteria and 
incorporate Sepsis-3 definitions and that ICD-10 will catch up?  At what period 
does CMS re-evaluate?

My concern is not adopting or moving forward with incorporating some of the 
updates and performing to old standards because we need to send in measures to 
CMS.  This lack of synchronization holds us back to "old standards" and not 
providing necessarily best practice.  This part is very messy in the middle.

We are doing a combination of both at my facility and looking carefully at all 
measures but really looking to the bottom line of outcomes.  

Maureen A. Seckel, APRN, ACNS-BC, CCNS, CCRN, FCCM 
Lead CNS Medical Pulmonary Critical Care
Sepsis Coordinator
Christiana Care Health System 
4755 Ogletown-Stanton Road 
3E29 
Newark, DE 19718 
Office 302 733-6023
[email protected] 

-----Original Message-----
From: Sepsisgroups [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Townsend, Sean, M.D.
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 2:26 AM
To: Carissa Hicks
Cc: Lewandowski Susan; [email protected]
Subject: [External] Re: [Sepsis Groups] [**External**] Re: SOFA and qSOFA

This is just an absolute mess.  qSOFA will do nothing but mess up your bills 
and quality metrics since billing for "sepsis" under sepsis-3 will code to the 
old simple sepsis under ICD-10 rather than the better paying "severe sepsis."  
ICD-10 has no means to bill for the term "sepsis" as defined in sepsis-3.  Also 
abstractors cannot abstract a diagnosis of "sepsis" (meaning the old severe 
sepsis) employing sepsis 3 under SEP-1, thus if a provider writes "sepsis" 
nobody know what it means for quality abstraction or billing purposes.

This is a calamity the authors of sepsis-3 didn't think to worry about, but in 
fact not having a strategy to deal with these problems means sepsis-3 can never 
be adopted.

This is why hospitals should head CMS advice and ignore sepsis-3.

Sean

On Feb 2, 2017, at 7:42 AM, Carissa Hicks 
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We have incorporated qSOFA in our floor screening tool. Our tool is set up as 
SIRS: yes/no, qSOFA yes/no, if yes to either they move to the next question: 
does the patient have infection or suspected infection. If yes to infection we 
have a nurse driven lactate order set. (The tool also includes organ 
dysfunction screening) ________________________________

From: "Karla A. Cleveland" <[email protected]>
To: "Lewandowski Susan" <[email protected]>, 
[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:32:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Sepsis Groups] SOFA and qSOFA Hi Sue,

Our hospitalist group is routinely using qSOFA in their documentation.  
However, I have not seen the ED physicians using either.


Karla Cleveland BS RN
Sepsis Coordinator
Mercy Health Muskegon
1560 E. Sherman Blvd, Ste 334
Muskegon, MI 49444
231.672.2221
231.672.3965 (FAX)
[email protected]
www.MercyHealth.com



From: Sepsisgroups [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Lewandowski Susan
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 12:49 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [External] [Sepsis Groups] SOFA and qSOFA

I was curious if any facilities have implemented SOFA and qSOFA? Our facility 
will be implementing both the SOFA and qSOFA in addition to continuing the use 
of SIRS. If these tools are being used, at what frequency is the assessment 
being completed? Also, is SOFA being initiated in the ED upon decision to admit?

Thank you, Sue

Sue Lewandowski RN
Sepsis Coordinator /Nursing Supervisor
Meadville Medical Center
751 Liberty Street
Meadville, Pa 16335
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