Re: Switch to Loom 1.0RC3

[peter royal]

On Sep 7, 2005, at 7:46 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:

I'm not sure I would like to use phoenix-trunk: does any
other project use it?

Does anyone use LOOM?

i know of no deployments. not saying that there are any, just that its not public. my company deploys the phoenix trunk. its not the tip, but its a 4.1 alpha release from early 2003. it has been solid with zero problems, which is why we're still using it. my suspicion as to why there are few loom deployments is that we (loom) have done zero advertising. all the hype is around the new 'lightweight' containers, so new users end up going towards the bright lights. and existing users already have something solid, so why change if there's no reason to.

From what Peter Royal told me, I understood that development on LOOM is dead. And we don't have access to the code. I'd like to hear from Peter

regarding Loom vs Phoenix, but he seemed willing to help us update the
container.

if anyone wants to hack on loom, just speak up :)

from an application POV, Loom is the unreleased Phoenix HEAD. internally, the Avalon interfaces were ripped out of the kernel and replaced with 'DNA' <http://dna.codehaus.org/>, but this is transparent to hosted applications (they still use the Avalon interfaces).

-pete
(please cc me on replies as i'm not on the list)

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peter royal

really, i can't think of a good reason why i would recommend loom to an existing phoenix user. i'd say use the unreleased phoenix first. fwiw, as asked earlier in the thread, the version of phoenix you have in your svn trunk supports configuration validation as well as persisted configuration outside of the SAR. it was never very well documented, but i wrote it, so i'm happy to share details for the curious :) also, if anyone else is interested in forward *migration* from phoenix (evolution not revolution), send me a private message.. its a topic i've been thinking a lot about recently, and i have my pet use- cases, but i'm curious to know what others want out of a container as well.

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