Steve Brewin wrote: >Alex Karasulu wrote: > > >>Hi all, >> >>Noel asked me to post my opinions to this thread as a result of my >>recent experiences with m2. Brace yourselves because I may >>jump around >>in this email :). >> >>I don't even know how to start off. Perhaps I can say Maven >>is a double >>edged sword for me. It has been a journey developing ApacheDS with M1 >>then migrating to M2. Directory has been completely developed with >>Maven since day one. >> >>It made many things easier at first over ant but soon as the number of >>project modules increased and we had to do things out of the >>ordinary we >>found that it was just as verbose and sometimes harder to manage. I >>don't have the time to list all the pros and cons but let me >>generalize >>and say this. For the most simple of cases wrt every aspect of a >>project from builds to generating a website maven is great: >>referring to >>maven 2 here specifically (would never touch m1 ever again). When >>things get complicated or out of the ordinary where they do not fall >>into a prescribed Maven pattern that's when Maven starts behaving >>oddly. This and how SNAPSHOTs are handled are my greatest peeves. >> >>Also we still have not figured how to get some of the new site doc >>generation mechanisms working properly. Thinking we could use this >>doxia stuff for generating xdocs we have stuffed our latest doco into >>confluence at safehaus and still have to figure out a way to get that >>stuff into our repo now. It's a bit of a mess which we must solve >>soon. I hope things have come along far enough since my m1-m2 >>conversion where we can actually use these plugins effectively to >>rejuvinate our aging website. >> >>In the end, I feel that maven is a great idea with a poor >>implementation. But then again everyone thinks they can do it better >>don't they? I've begun to suspect that even m2 has issues like the >>latest problems I've had with the failing remote repositories. Maven >>just has not been the same since codehaus/maven.org went down. >> >>I've already made the mistake of pushing maven on the pro ant Felix >>people and unofficially they're not too happy with that and I feel >>responsible. Not saying you guys should not use maven tho. However I >>think if you have a pre-existing project built on ant and you're >>comfortable I'd stick with that. If you're starting a new project and >>need to get things up and running fast maven goes a long way. >> >>Sorry for not giving more concrete examples, also I hope my love hate >>afair does not offend any of my good maven friends. I'd probably be >>complaining and loving Ant just as much if that's what I was >>using today. >> >>Alex >> >> > >Alex, thanks for this. > >Your experiences are almost exactly parallel to mine regarding Maven1. As >soon as you move beyond the standard Maven patterns you find yourself >jumping through more hoops than if you had stuck to Ant. Instead of being a >help its a hinderance. > >I think this partly stems from Maven's definition of a project being >narrower than what most development teams would define as their 'project'. >I'm sure there are Maven gurus out there who could resolve the issues each >development team has, but a build tool should not need gurus. > > > Exactly! You don't need to be a guru when it comes to ant. It's simple and it works.
>I was hoping that Maven2 would resolve these issues. I've no experience of >it beyond playing. If I understand, you are suggesting its better, but not >that much better, which is disappointing. Do you think its the Maven2 model >which is flawed or its current implementation? > > > Well I'm not a build tool expert but I have been swiming in the internals of the m2 code for some time. The architecture is pretty well designed. Jason really did a nice job. I get the feeling that some of the extremities of maven (it's plugins) are mostly at fault. There are implementation issues. The model is well put together IMO. HTH, Alex --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
