Stefano Bagnara wrote:
Bernd Fondermann wrote:
Nevertheless, I think the thread you started serves a purpose by
collecting a "mood board" on some/most of the pending discussions.
And it certainly should not be intended as a way to shut down
discussions.
I really hope this will stop religious threads that do not bring
anywhere. I hope that starting from the results of this "poll" (do we
want to call it poll?) we can have something more concrete to discuss
about.
Let's call it poll :-) .
I asked to not start discussions inside the vote replies because I
wanted to be able to collect the results in an easy way. Imho
discussions will belong to the result comment thread.
Correct.
Most of the topics are such long-termed endevours that it is
impossible to do a "bulk commit" now.
I agree, I never thought about a bulk commit.
Btw I think that we did a lot of discussions that are meaningless if
not contextualized in a long term goal or at least in a set of
roadmaps we could reach consensus upon.
Correct.
What I agree on with you and I feel you are missing is the free way
to keep development going. I'd recommend to take one piece at a time
from the pile of todo's, recall or start some dev-discussions, then
vote, then implement and be flexible enough to accept peoples ongoing
input.
Do you think I should have better started a single vote for each
question?
I thought at solution for weeks.. unfortunately this my best shot
now... if anyone has better way to bring our trunk to life and
increase probability to have a James 3.0 in a real future I would
really be happy to use my time to partecipate.
I explained what the various -1..+1 votes should be used for.
That said, you should now explain your reply in the context of the
topic I started.
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Btw I hope you will be more flexible about this discussion
procedures the next times.
Noel (whom you are responding to) like everyone else participating in
the project has the right and the duty to define "procedures". He
responded in a very flexible way, I think.
I only wanted to say that I opened a topic, I asked to reply with
decimal votes, he decided to change the rule. Imo this is not good:
other committers did understand my proposed way to vote.
I just asked flexibility about this. In the context of my vote/poll
each of the -1 by Noel is a VETO... you know, if everyone put so much
vetoes in a list we'll never reach consensus.
I understood and agree with your approach. Just remember that not
everyone has enough knowledge/convincement/clear thoughts on every topic
(and this is why I answered with several "+0" :-) ).
I stopped my activity on the james trunk because I feel out of synch
with the team, I'm simply trying to understand if there is still
space for my work or not.
I'm very confident, there is. But having people with different
opinions is not a burden, it's a gift. The community is growing, so
there are popping up more opinions, what do you expect? (with
community growing linear, opinions are growing exponentially ;-))
Bernd
It's all about consensus: I'm not trying to convince anyone of
anything, I'm collecting personal positions, to be able to understand
where is the space for consensus.
I feel I am the one that much more try to understand other opinions
and try to find consensus.
As an example you can read our last threads about configurations: I
tried to put out a list of possibilities, I declared my preferences, I
examinated proposals by other members, I made questions... thread died.
I agree with Bernd. In any case, sometimes ideas have to die and
resuscitate again to succeed, as they may be felt less mature or
realistic at the beginning (looks like I'm too much a philosopher now,
or a priest ;-) ).
I know I'm hard in words, but 1) I never learned soft words in english
2) I'm just trying to be concrete. James needs much more concrete things.
Words in foreign languages can be subtly misunderstood (think at the
recent Zidane vs. Materazzi "thread" ;-) ). Let's remember that and
*never* feel offended.
Vincenzo
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