I think that we have different goals and views about what is a minor release, and how it should be reflected in the naming (numbering) scheme.

For me (and as I understand also for Noel) a James x.(y+1) release should be a release that (i) comes out after no more than 2-3 months after an x.y release, and (ii) that can be put into production just replacing the james.sar file and maybe adding/replacing/deleting some lib jars, (iii) keeping storage compatibility, (iv) without any need to change either config.xml, assembly.xml etc. and (v) without any database schema changes (btw, IMHO point (iv) is very important). James should be able to restart without problems, and changes to the configuration files should be needed only to activate new functionalities, and such functionalities should have been well tested and "reasonably safe" and useful. I know that it was not this way in the past, but I feel it should have been, and should be from now on.

Based on this "definition", 2.3 should have been 3.0 (and what we are calling 3.0 should be 4.0, but let's forget that :-) ). This "numbering scheme discussion" obviously is useful only to better understand each other, also in the future.

So this is how I think 2.4 should be: useful things that deserve and *can* be added to 2.3 in a short time frame, without too much work: very first among others the new fastfail (*if* the "without too much work" applies). "Time driven instead of feature driven" for minor releases.

Now, how to do that? I think that the only way is through Noel's approach: carefully evolve 2.3 to 2.4, adding at least (at most?) the new fastfail, plus other carefully chosen things. The code from trunk currently would not allow conditions (i), (ii) and (iv) above, and should be used to become 3.0 following Stefano's and Norman's suggested roadmap. And after 3.0, any 3.x probably should evolve from 3.0, and a 4.0 would come out from trunk.

So, if the new fastfail is not mature enough, an effort should be put on it to become so in the 2-3 months timeframe. If not possible (but I don't think so), the remaining things may not be enough to justify a 2.4 (unless we have bugs in 2.3 to solve that would force us to build a 2.3.1: ------ 2.4 = 2.3 + bug fixes + new features ------), and we would have to wait for a 3.0 coming out of trunk when we decide to branch it.

Who would do this 2.4 work? We know that *currently* the most active committers are Stefano, Norman and (slightly less Noel), followed by myself and Bernd that are both more oriented to contributions in specific areas (btw more "release independent"). So Noel and Norman could hopefully concentrate on fastfail and related functionalities, I would work on Bayesian, Crypto (+something else that may come out) , and Bernd on whatever he feels useful, appropriate and possible. And Stefano can concentrate on more long term things for 3.0 and jump into 2.4 when possible.

To "wrap up", a final consideration: as a James user, I prefer to have *soon* a *few* new and "safe" functionalities rather than to wait a long time for a lot of new functionalities. But in the long term I want James to evolve ambitiously.

I hope all this makes sense :-) .

Vincenzo


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