Hi Bernd,

I didn't want to leave the impression that I took something personal,
sorry. 
I really appreciate your input. And in fact you did re-animated the
discussion and hit important topics and I argued eagerly. 

And just because I don't want to complain endlessly about stalling
discussions I did the prototype and explained why I did it.  So it
wasn't my intent to leave the discussion out but I saw no other way and
hoped that some concrete implementation could bring us some more
insights. I hesitated for over 2 month before I decided to start on my
own. 

Joachim
 
Am Donnerstag, den 05.10.2006, 09:27 +0200 schrieb Bernd Fondermann:


> > > while I see there has been some discussion about this mixed in here,
> > > what is the current architectural target for this?
> > > currently, I am having problems to determine our roadmap concerning
> > > this. (did I miss something?)
> >
> > It's like every time at the James project. A proposal is done, some
> > discussion raises up. If a "religious" architecture topic is hit like
> > "too much protocol dependent" there is a lot of discussion for a short
> > time.
> > The problem is discussion hibernates without a result.
> 
> I am desperate relating your answer to my orginal statement. My
> paragraph was just a bad way of asking: "What are the next concrete
> steps on the repository/IMAP development stuff people have in mind?",
> which you indeed answered at the bottom of your reply.
> 
> Instead of endlessly complaining about the stalled discussions, which
> does not help anyway, let's change the way of discussion back to ASF
> best-practice:
> + stay technical
> + don't take it personally if others have objections
> + fork different topics to their own threads
> + make precise, to the-point statements
> + be consent-oriented, summarize views. if needed, put up a vote
> _after_ the discussion has been done.
> 
> Proposals are just proposals, bases for discussion.
> If you leave the discussion out, you run a much higher risk of getting
> vetos, because people tend to not object things they were involed with
> early on. That's a psychological fact.
> 
> What I had in mind, in fact, was to re-animate the discussion, to
> bring it forward and collaborate with you on the topic. (Your current
> code is not available on the project, so I cannot comment on this.
> Former comments suggested to me there were substantial changes since
> July.)
> 
> I am just interested in understanding what you are actually doing, not
> to blocking anything.
> 
>   Bernd
> 
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