On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Stefano Bagnara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> My complaint is about the fact that what we had in mime4j was not different
> from what we had in JAMES Server multiple times (in that case caused by
> Robert) and I don't see why we should use similar tones/moods in a
> collaborating environment.

the functional tests used in IMAP have proved very good at spotting
differences between JVMs.  i run the tests and try hard not to commit
changes that break the build. i don't always succeed.

i understand that broken tests inconvenience other collaborators. this
is one reason why IMAP should really be moved into a separate library.

> It seems that MIME4J was working like a charm and the failing tests have
> been removed in few hours (most of them in few minutes after someone asked
> for this).

intentionally committing failing tests forces people to work on what
you want to work on rather than what they want to work on. these
failures were just in the DOM API and were not critical to either the
SAX or pull parsers. the reaction was predictable: lots of mail
activity whilst everything interested was brought up to speed. this
could have been avoided if the demonstration tests had not been
committed without fixes.

>> I saw at least 3 hands from active mime4j contributors raised asking
>> (explicitly or implicitly) to slow down (which is a majority) so I
>> propose to do exactly that.
>
> I'm not sure I read anyone asking to slow down. Maybe I'm not good at
> reading implicit requests, here.
>
> Do we want to put a maximum number of messages to be written daily to the
> mailing list so that inactive developers have a chance to read them?
> Nonsense to me.
> Discussion happens by replying each other: this means that we have a long
> discussion including many messages when at least 2 developers are
> discussing. I think there is nothing bad with this. I instead think it is
> bad when the messages are full of complaints or personal criticism.
> Technical discussion a collecting majority opinion about GOALs and specific
> issues solutions is indeed very important.

pushing forward fast means that care needs to be taken to take the
community along. i think this is happening ok ATM.

- robert

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