Since a lot is being read and written about I'd also like to throw this in...
https://sugardextrose.org/projects/xsce/wiki/primary_considerations On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:46 AM, James Cameron <[email protected]> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 09:42:46AM -0500, George Hunt wrote: > > This is a branch off of the thread "Does XSCE need a new home?", and > > stimulated by James Cameron's comments quoted where in part: > > > > > I also disagree with the implication that the tablet is any more > > > proprietary than the laptop. The mix of intellectual property is > > > certainly different, but the opportunity for use is also > > > different. Therefore the products shouldn't be compared at an > > > intellectual property licensing level. > > > > > > What is very different is that the laptop was ground-breaking > > > original technology, and the tablet is buy-in technology. This > > > cascades into completely different community involvement models. > > > > > > (I don't yet see how XSCE can benefit a tablet deployment, nobody > > > appears to have enumerated that.) > > I note this has become the subject of this thread ... but then you > went on to say: > > > At the SF summit, last month, Rodrigo demonstrated sugar running on > > a google Nexus tablet. This was achieved by running the python/sugar > > mega-package on top of the Ubuntu touch distribution. > > > > Is the Nexus the right hardware platform long term? Well, it's > > bootloader is unlocked! And here, in my opinion, is where the > > licensing becomes an issue. > > You lost me at this point, although I did go back and read the rest > later. The digression did not address the question. > > > [...] > > > > I believe a tablet should be thought of as part of a learning > > technology system, which also includes a laptop, and a school > > server. The tablet is more appropriate for younger grades, and I > > believe will always a more cost effective solution. Touch > > keyboarding, an essential skill for upward mobility, can come with > > the addition of a bluetooth keyboard, or in upper grades, a > > laptop. > > True, but not really relevant to the subject of the thread; how can > XSCE benefit a tablet deployment? > > > The school server is essential for both of these client interfaces > > to manage media storage, limit pornography, collect usage > > statistics, etc. > > Well, I don't see it as essential. I see it as helpful, and > potentially useful. XSCE is a niche product; the niche being schools > with no support from a large scalable ICT team provided by central > governance. > > (Schools with such support will find it difficult to adopt XSCE, > because centralised ICT tends to resist shadow ICT). > > So I tried to answer the question myself. > > For the research, I used the summary feature list here: > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Community_Edition#Our_Product > > And the planned feature list for XSCE 0.5 here: > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Community_Edition/0.5/Project_Specifications > > And the planned feature list for XSCE 0.6 here: > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Community_Edition/Features > > How can XSCE benefit a tablet deployment? > > 1. it can be an advanced home router; probably you mean the core > services, like DHCP, BIND, and Jabber. > > 2. it can be an internet gateway; probably you mean the core service > iptables, the extended services proxy server, web cache, and content > filtering, > > 3. it can hold content, (a cache); probably you mean extended > services such as web server, course manaement system, backup, book > server, offline content, > > 4. it can hold software updates, (a cache); probably you mean > activity update, olpc-update, and customisation stick. > > Now, a tablet learner can benefit from these things to varying > degrees; > > - DHCP, helpful, if the wireless routers don't do it, > > - BIND, helpful for finding local resources, but not essential, > > - Jabber, not useful, > > - iptables, helpful, if only because the server is to be positioned in > the exit path to the internet, > > - proxy server and web cache, potentially helpful, if a tablet can be > properly configured to use it, > > - content filtering, as above, > > - content caching, useful, > > - software updates, not useful, unless tablet specific updates are > made available. > > Where is the documentation for how to use an XO laptop with XSCE? A > teacher must have this. Such documentation may be a basis for writing > documentation on how to use a tablet with XSCE. > > I don't think any of the above points answer "how is it useful to a *tablet* deployment". Were you trying to answer how is it useful to a "generic computing machine" deployment? What, in your mind, are the characteristics of a *tablet* deployment? A list of assumptions you make might be useful. Perhaps even a real world example or two to take this further. > p.s. note how the future features in 0.5 included MediaWiki and a > Restore service, which are not listed in 0.6. Why is that? > > P.S. FWIW, looking at something's usefulness from purely technical viewpoints like the ones above might not be the best way to answer "how can it benefit a student's learning potential or a teacher's teaching potential". (though I agree it digresses from the point of this thread) -Anish > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > _______________________________________________ > Server-devel mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel >
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