Hi Ilya, Thank you for the info. I feel vindicated in the scarcity of email server options. Your discussion of different options is most interesting, indeed James remains the way to go.
I did not get bounce mails, and James is very fast indeed. I am concerned about bounce due to the other issues I had mentioned but probably it is okay. Of the setup list the only one I did not implement is PTR record. Is it important? But for windows I am still not convinced, I may perhaps setup a Linux system in the future. Kind regards, Cordialement, Guy -----Original Message----- From: Ilya Terskov <prosgar...@gmail.com> Sent: March 13, 2025 8:29 PM To: James Users List <server-user@james.apache.org> Subject: Re: Setting your own Email server, is it a good idea after all? If NO yet you do it; well then James is the best option compared to other not so good options!?!?!! Hi there. I set up one server on windows 10 just my own home pc, also try on windows server 2022, gentoo linux, ubuntu linux, work completely fine even on windows, to start on windows startup u need use scheduler with other user to make it start even if u dont login to system. Also if your mails dont go to gmail or any other mail service then something from this list: SFP DMARC DKIM Certificate PTR record IP in spamlist Not setup correctly. Because when i done configuring everything going fast to any mail services and never get to Spam. I found only 4 really good options for setup your free self hosted mail server: Stalwart Carbonio/Zimbra Citadel Apache James Any other options or not free with limits or just another dovecot/sendmail/heraka solution Stalwart about 3 years old and authors says its not exactly production solution cuz they change many things when it comes to 1.0 version (0.15 now) Carbonio Zimbra oh god that not exactly mail server more like collaboration suite and its too complex and even that its just dovecot inside etc... Citadel pretty solid... But developing for now rly slow and if u see webui u sure sont like it... Its good but functional a little outdated. James have all u need mostly crop address book which dont about mail server exactly but citadel, carbonio and stalwart have this function... James have everything most ppl need in modern mail server. James lightning fast - mail from gmail comes in about 2+- seconds. But what i rly like in james - it have API, with that u can make and develop on top of it anything u need. Yes cons here - no webui, no WebMail. But from all in one mail server solutions that most matured, stable and powerhouse thing u can find in open source world and even mostly in not free and open too. Microsoft exchange too complex and without active directory not functional and EOL in this year :) So yes james rly good, w8ing for 3.9, have now 3.8.2 and happy. Sir Benoit i want 3.9 >_< пт, 14 мар. 2025 г., 06:39 <guy.tremb...@welnx.com>: > Hi Jamers, > > > > I have setup my own Apache www server under Windows 11 serving my > small business web pages. Then at that moment I also made the decision > to setup my own email server. I thought to myself: Ah this is going to > be EASY. right? > > > > Searching for it I realized there weren't that many options and the > options seemed awkward and underwhelming. I opted for James that > looked the most serious and apt for my needs. It was tough to setup, but it > worked. > > > > The email was tough to get through at first but setting up DKIM and > the certificates were instrumental. So I thought: well this works fine > but somethings amiss. > > > > I start James inside a batch file in a command prompt windows within a > Windows 11 session which starts at startup. So, it's a bit 'shaky' I'd say. > (Windows less than ideal for that purpose) (issue #1) > > > > Then Gmail won't accept the IMAP from James it seems and email clients > are finnicky with it (why?). > > > > I do use Outlook on my phone, but I don't receive notification from > the emails sent to my James server on my phone (actually, sometimes I > do, but not always !!) (issue #3). > > > > . > > > > Then okay well this works after all, but what is my next move, and > what going on? Stay with James or what? If I stay with James, what > should I do to make it rugged and reliable 100%? What will I do when I > hire employees? > > > > Needs to be stable and rugged. > > > > THEN I read THIS on Reddit: > > > > "As some one who has done self-hosted email for personal and small > biz, its basically all cons... Its seems like a great idea, having > unlimited free email addresses for all your domains. Its not *that* > hard to set up as well. > The issue is the big email providers are basically set up like the > email mafia. Mail to gmail and outlook go spam. You think you have > solved the issue, then a new recipient informs you mail in going to > spam now. You spend hours to days trying to figure out why, and how to > fix it. Now rinse are repeated every few months. You also have to > figure out if the IP (range) you can use is already blacklisted. Most > VPS and consumer/small biz ISP are. > It's a massive pain the ass and not worth it unless you need 100's of > emails address or require that level of security. 1/10, would not > recommend it. > Pony up the few bucks to gmail to get a reliable email and great > WebClient." > -- > > https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/107iodp/self_hosted_email > _serve > r/ > <https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/107iodp/self_hosted_emai > l_server/> > > > > That explains it all. James is not a temporary solution, but one of > the best solutions to the ridiculous problem of email access that's > not "Big Corporate". > > > > So, my questions (any thoughts welcomed though): > > > > * If I want to enable James in a manner that is as stable and robust > as can be (not in a silly command prompt window at startup) and robust > (will receive outlook notifications and never in spam box, etc.), what > is the best approach to implement? > > * Switch to Linux? If so which Linux? > * > * What are my options really for stable, sustainable email? > * > * Do you get emails sent to spam from your James > > * I actually have not seen this issue since setting up DKIM and > certificates, but who knows.. > * > > * Alternatively, should I pay for an email service, if so which one? > > * > > > > Kind regards, Cordialement, > > Guy > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: server-user-unsubscr...@james.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: server-user-h...@james.apache.org
