Furthermore if people uses multiple SMTP servers to send messages out then you will loose the bounces to messages they sent via others SMTP servers not using VERP.

This could be overcome with each SMTP server accessing a shared database of VERP entries.

No. As an example when I use my mobile phone I have to use a specific SMTP server of my mobile operator. I can anyway specify my real email address and that domain is managed by my JAMES server.. If I used VERP in my james I would not receive bounces to messages sent by my mobile phone.

Thank you.  That example strikes the death-knell for VERP for me!

Unfortunately in SMTP there is no rule that the outgoing SMTP server have to be the same of the MX server for the sender domain.

Which is precisely the problem with SPF. In SPF, you must list all possible SMTP servers for your domain. This gets tricky when you are using a third party to manage your address lists and they change the IP address of their SMTP servers without telling you!

With SPF I can tell the world that my mobile operator is a valid sender instead I cannot ask my mobile operator to use VERP shared with my JAMES server ;-)

Point taken ;-) Although to be fair, I think you will find it very hard to get an exhaustive accurate list of potential SMTP servers that might be used to forward your email from. I believe SFP allows you to specify sending domains with regular expressions. So you could say any IP address from the *.mymobilephonecompany.com. However, that does incur a lot more network activity from your mail server as it checks the IP address.
I'm not saying that SPF is better than VERP. None of them will save us from spam. I just wanted to point out some VERP issue so our reader will be less surprised later.

Thanks again.  I've learned a lot too!

David Legg


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