Re: James Server SMTP Spooling Issue

Eric Charles Wed, 06 Mar 2013 23:46:27 -0800

Hi,

Could it be that the mail you send to the non-existing id bounce backfrom the remote smtp, and that your mailet config send them again to theremote SMTP, and so on... bouncing so many times that your outgoingqueue is overloaded?


Thx, Eric


On 06/03/2013 12:27, Farooq Ahmed wrote:

Hi Eric,

Here is the test scenario.
I have created a new instance of James and the only difference between the
earlier instance and this one is that earlier instance uses java 1.7 and
this one uses java 1.6 , else every thing is same.

With this difference also i am able to reproduce the issue.

Initially i sent emails to valid email ids and emails were getting
delivered as expected.
Later i sent email to multiple ids which does not exist, though there mail
providers were valid.

e.g  someuniqu...@vsnl.net,
       someuniqu...@rediffmail.com etc

After next day i checked bean
org.apache.james:name=queue,queue=outgoing,type=component

and there were many mails all having "state = error;".
Now today mail are getting spooled and not delivered, though i can
instantly receiving emails but outgoing emails are getting stucked in queue.

I am using james3beta4.
Let me know if you can reproduce using same version.

Regards,
Farooq

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Eric Charles <e...@apache.org> wrote:

Hi Farooq,

Unfortunately, I can not reproduce it.
Any chance for you to write a Java unit test that shows this?
Thx, Eric


On 25/02/2013 05:25, Farooq Ahmed wrote:

Hi Eric,

Any further info on this, this issue is still unresolved..

Regards,
Farooq

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Farooq Ahmed
<farooq.ah...@centralogic.net>**wrote:

  We do use to restart the system after that the spooled mails are

delivered
and after restart first mail is sent out with out getting stuck in
outgoing
queue but from second mail onwards one mail always keeps stuck in
outgoing
queue.

Regards,
Farooq


On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Eric Charles <e...@apache.org> wrote:

  Did you already tried a stop/start of James to see if those numbers

change?

Thx, Eric


On 19/02/2013 12:33, Farooq Ahmed wrote:

  Hi Eric,


The QueueSize is 2 in mbean Destination=outgoing,Type=****
Queue(ActiveMQ)
and
Size is also 2 in name=queue,queue=outgoing,****type=component (james)


The only logical relation that i can see between ActiveMQ and James is
the
outgoing queue size in both is 2. Where as there are no messages in
List
returned by james bean and ActiveMQ bean shows one message in queue.

we have'nt done any changes in ActiveMQ, but we have changed
configuration
files of james for spams, fakeipaddress, baeysian algorithm and we dont
store copy of sent mails.

Regards,
Farooq

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Eric Charles <e...@apache.org> wrote:

   Hi Farooq,


Looking at Destination=outgoing,Type=******Queue, the
EnqueueCount/DequeueCount/******QueueSize seem odd (14976 - 14975 <>
2).



Can you link/find some logic between those ActiveMQ numbers and the
numbers shown in the James MBeans?

Do you run with the embedded ActiveMQ shipped by default? Any changes
in
the configuration?

Thx, Eric


On 19/02/2013 11:44, Farooq Ahmed wrote:

   Hi Eric,


Here you go..
           Attributes Value
BeanName        ConsumerCount
           ProducerCount   QueueSize       DequeueCount
  EnqueueCount
    browse
Destination=ActiveMQ.DLQ,Type=******Queue     0       0       1
   0


     0       Shows 1 message in
outgoing queue,
invalid recepient
Destination=outgoing,Type=******Queue         10      5       2

14976

     14975   shows 1 message
in outgoing queue,the one which we sends after every 30 sec
Destination=spool,Type=Queue    2       3       0       15146   15146
no emails
Destination=ActiveMQ.Advisory.******TempQueue,Type=Topic      1
   0


     0       0       146     no
emails
Destination=ActiveMQ.Advisory.******Queue,Type=Topic  0       0
   0
     0       6       no emails
Destination=ActiveMQ.Advisory.******Producer.Queue.spool,Type=**
****Topic

    0

0       0       0       3       no emails
Destination=ActiveMQ.Advisory.******Producer.Queue.outgoing,**

Type=**Topic

0       0       0       0       5       no emails
Destination=ActiveMQ.Advisory.******Consumer.Queue.spool,Type=**
****Topic

    0

0       0       0       253212  no emails
Destination=ActiveMQ.Advisory.******Consumer.Queue.outgoing,**

Type=**Topic

0       0       0       0       1232626         no emails
Destination=ActiveMQ.Advisory.******Connection,Type=Topic     0
   0


     0       0       1       no
emails



Now I can see the mail stuck in outgoing queue, the one which we send
every 30 sec..

Regards,
Farooq


On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Eric Charles <e...@apache.org
<mailto:e...@apache.org>> wrote:

       Hi,
       All, except the first and the last ones.
       Thx, Eric


       On 19/02/2013 10:57, Farooq Ahmed wrote:

           Hi Eric,

           Which mbean of activemq would you like me to check from the
           following ...
           org.apache.activemq:__******BrokerName=james,__**
ConnectorName=tcp_//localhost_******__0,Type=Connector
           org.apache.activemq:__******BrokerName=james,Destination=_
******
_ActiveMQ.Advisory.Connection,******__Type=Topic
           org.apache.activemq:__******BrokerName=james,Destination=_
******
_ActiveMQ.Advisory.Consumer.__******Queue.outgoing,Type=Topic
           org.apache.activemq:__******BrokerName=james,Destination=_
******
_ActiveMQ.Advisory.Consumer.__******Queue.spool,Type=Topic
           org.apache.activemq:__******BrokerName=james,Destination=_
******
_ActiveMQ.Advisory.Producer.__******Queue.outgoing,Type=Topic
           org.apache.activemq:__******BrokerName=james,Destination=_
******
_ActiveMQ.Advisory.Producer.__******Queue.spool,Type=Topic
           org.apache.activemq:__******BrokerName=james,Destination=_
******
_ActiveMQ.Advisory.Queue,Type=******__Topic
           org.apache.activemq:__******BrokerName=james,Destination=_
******
_ActiveMQ.Advisory.TempQueue,_******_Type=Topic
           org.apache.activemq:__******BrokerName=james,Destination=_
******
_ActiveMQ.DLQ,Type=Queue
           org.apache.activemq:__******BrokerName=james,Destination=_
******
_outgoing,Type=Queue
           org.apache.activemq:__******BrokerName=james,Destination=_
******
_spool,Type=Queue
           org.apache.activemq:__******BrokerName=james,Type=Broker




           Regards,
           Farooq

           On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Eric Charles <
e...@apache.org
           <mailto:e...@apache.org>> wrote:

               Any chance to compare those numbers with the ones
given by
               the activemq
               mbeans?

               Thx, Eric


               On 19/02/2013 10:42, Farooq Ahmed wrote:

                   Hi Eric,

                   i have used jmxterm-1.0-alpha-4-uber jmx cli,

                   "You mean to 'push out' the queue.
                   The mail you send triggers the pending mails to go
out?"

                   Yes this new mail push the earlier mail out but
itself
                   gets stuck in
                   spool,to which a new mail after 30 sec pushes out
and
                   that mail gets
                   struck
                   and soon...

                   Can you guide me how to figure out the reason as to
why
                   the size attribute
                   value is 5 and the browse List only contains 3
mails
                   details.
                   Also Why The mail which gets stuck in spool its
count
is
                   incremented in
                   attribure Size but its details are not present in
browse
                   List..?

                   Regards,
                   Farooq

                   On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Eric Charles
                   <e...@apache.org <mailto:e...@apache.org>> wrote:

                      Hi Farooq,



                       On 18/02/2013 12:39, Farooq Ahmed wrote:

                          Hi Eric,


                           Here is the output which i get when i use
Bean
                           org.apache.james:name=queue,********
__**queue=outgoing,type=__******component

                           $>bean
                           org.apache.james:name=queue,********
__**queue=outgoing,type=__******component




                           #bean is set to
org.apache.james:name=queue,**
                           queue=outgoing,type=component
                           $>info
                           #mbean =
                           org.apache.james:name=queue,********
__**queue=outgoing,type=__******component
                           #class name =
                           org.apache.james.queue.****__******


library.MailQueueManagement



                           # attributes
                                 %0   - Size (long, r)
                           # operations
                                 %0   - java.util.List browse()
                                 %1   - long clear()
                                 %2   - long flush()
                                 %3   - long
                           removeWithName(java.lang.****_******_String
p1)
                                 %4   - long
                           removeWithRecipient(java.lang.**
****__****String
p1)
                                 %5   - long
                           removeWithSender(java.lang.*****
****__*String

p1)




                           #there's no notifications
                           $>get Size
                           #mbean =
                           org.apache.james:name=queue,********
__**queue=outgoing,type=__******component:



                           Size = 7;


                       Cool, it seems like you have found a JXM CLI
which
                       works fine.
                       Which one is it?



                          Let me know if you need any further details.

                           can you educate me as to Size= 7 is the no
of
                           mails still in outgoing
                           spool
                           or is some default size of outgoing queue.


                              It is the number of pending mails in the
queue.

                       So you have 7 mails waiting to be sent to the
                       outside world/


                           Also note that do deal with this spooling
                       problem, the workaround that
                       we

                           did temporarily is that we created an
                           application that sends an email to
                           some email address every 30 sec.


                       You mean to 'push out' the queue.
                       The mail you send triggers the pending mails
to go
out?

                       Thx, Eric



                          Regards,

                           Farooq

                           On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Eric
Charles
                           <e...@apache.org <mailto:e...@apache.org>>
wrote:

                               Hi,


                               Maybe the cloud's firewall blocks your
requests.

                               For JMX command line, type 'jmx cli' in
                               google and experiment (tried
                               one
                               of these long time ago).

                               Thx, Eric


                               On 18/02/2013 10:11, Farooq Ahmed
wrote:

                                   Hi Eric,


                                   I tried remotely connecting to JMX
using
                                   Jconsole and remote jmx
                                   connection
                                   method specified on
                                   http://james.apache.org/****
                                   server/3/config-system.html<__****
**ht**tp://
james.apache.org/****
                                   <http://james.apache.org/****>
                                   server/3/config-system.html<******
ht__tp://
james.apache.org/**__**server/****3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/**__**server/**3/config-system.html>
<http://**james.apache.org/**__**server/**3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/**__**server/3/config-system.html>

<http://**james.apache.org/**_**_server/3/**config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/**__server/3/**config-system.html>
**<http://james.apache.org/**__**server/3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/**__server/3/config-system.html>


                                    <http://james.apache.org/****

server/3/config-system.html<**ht**tp://james.apache.org/****
server/3/config-system.html<ht**tp://james.apache.org/****
server/3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/**server/3/config-system.html>

                                   <ht**tp://james.apache.org/**_**
**** <http://james.apache.org/**_****><http://james.apache.org/***
*_** <http://james.apache.org/**_**>>
_server/**3/config-system.****html<http://james.apache.org/*****<http://james.apache.org/***>
*__server/**3/config-system.****html<http://james.apache.org/***
*__server/**3/config-system.**html<http://james.apache.org/**__server/**3/config-system.html>


                                    <http://james.apache.org/****

server/**3/config-system.html<****http://james.apache.org/****
server/**3/config-system.html<**http://james.apache.org/****
server/**3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/**server/**3/config-system.html>

  **<__http://james.apache.org/_****_**server/**3/config-system.**

**html<http://james.apache.org/_**_**server/**3/config-system.**html>
<http://james.apache.**org/__**server/**3/config-**system.html<http://james.apache.org/__**server/**3/config-system.html>

<http://james.apache.org/_**_**server/**3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/_**_server/**3/config-system.html>
<**http://james.apache.org/__**server/**3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/__server/**3/config-system.html>

**>

                                    <http://james.apache.org/**

server/**3/config-system.html<****http://james.apache.org/**
server/**3/config-system.html<**http://james.apache.org/**
server/**3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/server/**3/config-system.html>

**>


                                    <**http://james.apache.org/**_**

**** <http://james.apache.org/**_****><http://james.apache.org/***
*_** <http://james.apache.org/**_**>>
_server/3/config-system.html<**h**ttp://james.apache.org/**__****<http://james.apache.org/**__**>

server/3/config-system.html<ht**tp://james.apache.org/**__**
server/3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/**__server/3/config-system.html>

                                   <http://james.apache.org/****
server/3/config-system.html<**ht**tp://james.apache.org/****
server/3/config-system.html<ht**tp://james.apache.org/****
server/3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/**server/3/config-system.html>

  
<**ht__tp://james.apache.org/******server/__3/config-system.**html<http://james.apache.org/****server/__3/config-system.html>

<http://james.apache.org/****server/__3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/**server/__3/config-system.html>
**>
**<http://james.apache.org/****server/__3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/**server/__3/config-system.html>
<**http://james.apache.org/**server/__3/config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/server/__3/config-system.html>

                                   <http://james.apache.org/**
server/3/config-system.html<**ht**tp://james.apache.org/**server/**<http://james.apache.org/server/**>

3/config-system.html<http://**james.apache.org/server/3/**
config-system.html<http://james.apache.org/server/3/config-system.html>




                                   But i could not get connected to
jmx
on
                                   my email server.

                                   Note that the server where i have
                                   deployed james is on azure cloud
PAS
                                   network and is Ubunto system.
                                   Is there any mechanism where i can
                                   observe the message queue contents
                                   on
                                   local ubunto system using ssh only.

                                   Regards,
                                   Farooq

                                   On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:02 PM,
Ajay
                                   Navgale <
                                   ajay.navg...@centralogic.net
                                   <mailto:ajay.navgale@****central**
ogic.net <http://centralogic.net><ajay.**navgale@**centralogic.net<
ajay**.navg...@centralogic.net <ajay.navg...@centralogic.net>>

                                       wrote:





                                      ---------- Forwarded message
----------

                                       From: Eric Charles <
e...@apache.org
                                       <mailto:e...@apache.org>>

                                       Date: Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at
7:52 PM
                                       Subject: Re: James Server SMTP
                                       Spooling Issue
                                       To: James Users List
                                       <server-user@james.apache.org
                                       <mailto:server-user@james.**
apache.org <server-user@james.apache.org>****>>





                                       Hi,
                                       You mean you the newly spooled
mails
                                       'push-out' the remaining ones.
                                       After that, the latest one
remains
                                       stucked in the queu?

                                       If such, that's very strange
and
we
                                       never saw that before.
                                       Do you use JMX to inspect the
queue
                                       content/size?

                                       Thx, Eric


                                       On 12/02/2013 11:45, Ajay
Navgale
wrote:

                                            Hi,


                                           We are using james 3.0
beta4.
                                           We have an issue while
sending
                                           an email. There is always
one
                                           outgoing
                                           mail
                                           left in spool and is
delivered
                                           when any new outgoing mail
is
to
be
                                           sent.
                                           Now previous mail gets
delivered
                                           and this recent once sits
in
the
                                           spool.
                                           This is happening for
Remote
                                           delivery.

                                           Can anyone throw some
light on
this.

                                           Thanks & Regards,
                                           Ajay




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