For clarity, this is the entire set of changes allowed by the Chair
outside the ballot process
/The set of changes are limited to: /
* /The cover page,/
* /The Table of Contents,/
* /The year in the “Copyright” information,/
* /Footers with page numbers,/
* /Links to other sections within the document./
/The Chair or Vice-Chair of the Forum or of a CWG is also allowed to
perform the following changes, unless the ballot explicitly updates this
information:/
* /The Guideline version number,/
* /Headers/Footers with version numbers,/
* /The table with document revisions or Document History,/
* /The table with Relevant Dates./
Dimitris.
On 19/10/2023 6:05 μ.μ., Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via
Servercert-wg wrote:
On 19/10/2023 4:51 μ.μ., Inigo Barreira wrote:
I disagree.
That's unfortunate because the language in the Bylaws seems
unambiguous. It doesn't say that the Chair is allowed to make /any/
minor change but has an explicit set of changes. Even changing a
bulleted list into a numbered list would be a formatting change, but
that is clearly not allowed.
>Perhaps I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying, but changing the
formatting/content will require a new version of the ballot with
associated new discussion period and voting period
This proposed change by Ryan is not changing the content not
adding/removing anything. The issue is due to the artifacts and the
generating of the PDF. If you review that proposal, you´ll see that
is to harmonize the GitHub and PDF styles.
The Git version is the canonical version, so in order to meet the
Bylaws, even if you change a full-stop , you must follow the process
of another round of discussion with the updated formatting change and
then start the voting.
Thanks,
Dimitris.
*De:*Corey Bonnell <[email protected]>
*Enviado el:* jueves, 19 de octubre de 2023 14:21
*Para:* Inigo Barreira <[email protected]>; CA/B Forum
Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List
<[email protected]>; Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA)
<[email protected]>
*Asunto:* RE: [Servercert-wg] Voting period begins: Ballot SC-066:
Fall 2023 Clean-up v2
Hi Inigo,
Comments inline.
> the chair of the CWG can perform some changes that do not change
anything without requiring a ballot procedure, so I guess there´s
nothing to vote/discuss there
Perhaps I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying, but changing the
formatting/content will require a new version of the ballot with
associated new discussion period and voting period. This should be
clear from Bylaws 2.4 (8), as modifying arbitrary formatting does not
fall within the allowed set of post-voting changes that can be
performed by the (Vice) Chair.
> The change proposed by Ryan is just a simple issue with the format
and it´s not changing the content nor anything else.
Some members do see the formatting of these documents as significant
and will vote accordingly. See [1] for a recent example.
I agree with Dimitris: if this formatting change is to be included,
then the ballot redline needs to be updated to incorporate the
changes and the appropriate commits included in the immutable link.
To do otherwise will likely result in confusion, as members will be
unsure on what they’re voting on.
Thanks,
Corey
[1]
https://lists.cabforum.org/pipermail/cscwg-public/2022-May/000810.html
*From:*Servercert-wg <[email protected]> *On Behalf
Of *Inigo Barreira via Servercert-wg
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2023 7:56 AM
*To:* Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <[email protected]>; CA/B
Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List
<[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [Servercert-wg] Voting period begins: Ballot SC-066:
Fall 2023 Clean-up v2
Well, my interpretation is that this is not changing the ballot
itself, the redline still remains the same (there´s no change in that
redline) and only if this ballot passes, at the end, and before
publishing, and considered section 2.4, item 8, the chair of the CWG
can perform some changes that do not change anything without
requiring a ballot procedure, so I guess there´s nothing to
vote/discuss there. The change proposed by Ryan is just a simple
issue with the format and it´s not changing the content nor anything
else.
*De:*Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <[email protected]>
*Enviado el:* jueves, 19 de octubre de 2023 13:26
*Para:* Inigo Barreira <[email protected]>; CA/B Forum
Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <[email protected]>
*Asunto:* Re: [Servercert-wg] Voting period begins: Ballot SC-066:
Fall 2023 Clean-up v2
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On 19/10/2023 12:43 μ.μ., Inigo Barreira via Servercert-wg wrote:
The voting period for this ballot has started. Note that
Inconsistent document formatting (Markdown vs PDF) · Issue #462 ·
cabforum/servercert (github.com)
<https://url.avanan.click/v2/___https:/github.com/cabforum/servercert/issues/462___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzpkNzA5N2FlMjBlMDk4NmRkY2NiY2JmNjRlMGI1NDJhOTo2OmQwZGU6ODNmNGU4MzdlYjdlM2NkMjk1MjZhZjYzMGE3N2FjNGQ3MjQzOWRkZDNmNjJhODRlMjIwMDViZGEwYjk1OTg3YzpoOkY>
will be also included (it´s a format issue with no content change).
Inigo,
You started the voting period on a specific ballot that has a
specific redline
<https://url.avanan.click/v2/___https:/github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/90a98dc7c1131eaab01af411968aa7330d315b9b...b72da7a87955aed81d14f9fe96ee222098fd4264___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzpkNzA5N2FlMjBlMDk4NmRkY2NiY2JmNjRlMGI1NDJhOTo2OjJmNTc6MmVjNGFmY2RlODE2YjY5ZmMyODg2NGIxZjJlODMzNmFiN2I3ZGJlZjBkNGI0YTlkMGQxYzdkYmUzMmU5YTY3NzpoOkY>.
That means you cannot make any changes without invoking a new 7-days
discussion period. Unfortunately, since you started the voting period
there is nothing you can do but either let the ballot fail or
withdraw it. Withdrawing a ballot is a new addition to the Bylaws in
section 2.3 (4)
A proposer may withdraw a ballot containing defective language at
any point during the voting period
According to the Bylaws, the voting period ends 7 days after the
voting starts, so that would be 7 days from TODAY (2023-10-19), which
means that the voting ends at *2023-10-26*. The information at the
bottom of the page should have been updated.
I'd appreciate a confirmation from at least another person that is
familiar with the Bylaws about whether my interpretation is accurate
or not.
Best regards,
Dimitris.
**
*Purpose of Ballot SC-66 v2*
This ballot proposes updates to the Baseline Requirements for the
Issuance and Management of Publicly-Trusted Certificates related
to the issues and typos that have happened due to the different
updates of the document. No new normative requirements are
introduced by the changes in this ballot.
Notes:
1. The majority of these issues have been documented in GitHub
and have therefore labeled as cleanup and have been the basis
for this update.
2. Some have been provided by emails to the CABF lists and
included in this reviewed version because were typos.
The following motion has been proposed by Iñigo Barreira of
Sectigo. And, endorsed by Aaron Gable of Let´s Encryptand Clint
Wilson of Apple.
*— Motion Begins —*
This ballot modifies the “Baseline Requirements for the Issuance
and Management of Publicly-Trusted Certificates” (“Baseline
Requirements”), based on Version 2.0.1.
MODIFY the Baseline Requirements as specified in the following
Redline:
https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/90a98dc7c1131eaab01af411968aa7330d315b9b...b72da7a87955aed81d14f9fe96ee222098fd4264
<https://url.avanan.click/v2/___https:/github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/90a98dc7c1131eaab01af411968aa7330d315b9b...b72da7a87955aed81d14f9fe96ee222098fd4264___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzpkNzA5N2FlMjBlMDk4NmRkY2NiY2JmNjRlMGI1NDJhOTo2OjAwZTI6ZmMzNzJjNWNiNmIwMzhkYmQ3NjFmMjgzNmQ2NTNhZmExZGI3YzZkOWFjOTYwNDQ5MGNkZDg2MjgxNWU5YmI2ODpoOkY>.
*— Motion Ends —*
This ballot proposes a Final Maintenance Guideline. The procedure
for approval of this ballot is as follows:
*Discussion (7+ days)*
• Start time: 10-10-2023 22:00:00 UTC
• End time: 17-10-2023 22:00:00 UTC
*Vote for approval (7 days)*
• Start time: 18-10-2023 22:00:00 UTC
• End time: 25-10-2023 22:00:00 UTC
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