I've simplified the phrasing further, it feels much less legalese now. Let me know what you think!
Thanks again, Aaron On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 2:29 PM Tim Hollebeek <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, there’s a fair amount of legal puffery in the existing BRs (and > especially the EVGs) … it’s one of the common causes of lack of clarity, > rather than clarity. I’d prefer to see it slowly removed over time and > replaced with clear, straight-forward language that’s easy for non-native > speakers to read and comply with. Obviously much easier said than done, > though. > > > > That’s one of the dangers of this sort of exercise: we tend to add words > and nuance as if it’s making things better … but one thing I’ve slowly > learned over the years is that more words do not necessarily lead to > increased clarity. > > > > -Tim > > > > *From:* Aaron Gable <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 4, 2024 5:17 PM > *To:* Tim Hollebeek <[email protected]> > *Cc:* CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [Servercert-wg] Seeking endorsers: Ballot SC-XX: Measure > all hours and days to the second > > > > Fair enough! I was aiming for the same style of "reasonable person" as is > often found in legal texts, since I had some concern that someone might try > to use this phrasing to interpret "11 months" as "11 x 28 = 308 days", > which would be a potential minimum value but not one that a reasonable > person would assert. I welcome additional help refining this phrasing. > > > > Thanks, > > Aaron > > > > On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 12:59 PM Tim Hollebeek <[email protected]> > wrote: > > You don’t want to call out “reasonableness” unless you’re actually going > to let people use their discretion. > > > > The first new sentence, as I read it, could be rewritten as: “All > statements of time periods SHALL be taken to mean exactly that time period, > and not one microsecond more.” > > > > That is very clear, but it is not the only reasonable interpretation. > Claiming the “minimum” interpretation is the only “reasonable” one is a bit > more opinionated and pejorative than is necessary. It also doesn’t add > anything. > > > > -Tim > > > > *From:* Servercert-wg <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of > *Aaron > Gable via Servercert-wg > *Sent:* Thursday, January 4, 2024 1:06 PM > *To:* CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [Servercert-wg] Seeking endorsers: Ballot SC-XX: Measure > all hours and days to the second > > > > Hi all, > > > > Thanks for the great discussion in the ServerCert WG call this morning! > > > > I have updated this draft ballot to attempt to use Clint's language around > interpreting time periods to be their minimum value. Please take a look! > > > > https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/pull/470/files > <https://url.avanan.click/v2/___https:/github.com/cabforum/servercert/pull/470/files___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzoyMjY5YTgxZDcxNTE0ZGU4YjBkZjc5ODk0ZGZiYWZjMzo2OjY5ZjY6M2RkYjVhYjI4NTY0ZTJkOTJjZGI0YWE3MmUyZTk1ZWVmZDdlZmY3Yjg5NDczOTU2MTBhZTI1ODI5YjQzY2M3MzpoOkY> > > > > Thanks again, > > Aaron > > > > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 9:49 AM Aaron Gable <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > As a result of this bugzilla incident > <https://url.avanan.click/v2/___https:/bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1865080___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzoyMjY5YTgxZDcxNTE0ZGU4YjBkZjc5ODk0ZGZiYWZjMzo2Ojc5MDk6N2Y5OWEwNTEwYTIxNGUyZjgwY2Q0NmJiMGQyY2I4MTcxZjMwN2QwZGY2MzA3NDMwZjJhOTRmM2U4ZTZkNDg3NjpoOkY>, > and inspired by Ballot SC-52 > <https://url.avanan.click/v2/___https:/github.com/cabforum/servercert/pull/327___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzoyMjY5YTgxZDcxNTE0ZGU4YjBkZjc5ODk0ZGZiYWZjMzo2OjE5NGQ6ODZiZWM0ZDc1ZDI2YzRkNzM2OGIxMjFlZmY5N2UzOTU4ZjQ5NThjMGM5N2EyMGExYTE5OWIzMjc4ZGY3ZTRiYzpoOkY> > which > never came to a vote, I would like to re-propose that the Baseline > Requirements clarify that all "hour" and "day" time periods are measured > with 1-second precision, and do not refer to calendar days. They currently > do this in two separate places (three, if you count the definition of > Short-Lived Certificates). I believe it will benefit all readers to instead > state this convention once at the beginning of the document, so that it is > clear that it applies uniformly to all time periods measured in those units. > > > > The pull request can be viewed and commented on here: > https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/pull/470 > <https://url.avanan.click/v2/___https:/github.com/cabforum/servercert/pull/470___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzoyMjY5YTgxZDcxNTE0ZGU4YjBkZjc5ODk0ZGZiYWZjMzo2OmZkOTE6ODM5YWFmMzkyYjM4OThmMTU3NmVjMjdlNTk2Y2ZjNWZhZDRmODZjOTQyNzcwY2FjMWQ3ZTU1ODRjOWU3YmRmYjpoOkY> > > The precise diff that will become the ballot redline if no changes are > requested can be viewed here: > https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/90a98dc7c1131eaab01af411968aa7330d315b9b...c3e928e73caed8c8489ab5406127aad661b8a63e > <https://url.avanan.click/v2/___https:/github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/90a98dc7c1131eaab01af411968aa7330d315b9b...c3e928e73caed8c8489ab5406127aad661b8a63e___.YXAzOmRpZ2ljZXJ0OmE6bzoyMjY5YTgxZDcxNTE0ZGU4YjBkZjc5ODk0ZGZiYWZjMzo2OjdjNjQ6MTI0NDAzNTNlYjI5MGE4YTcxYmEzNzFjZjRmMWU1NGQzNmYwNGZhZDk0ZGM3OWNkM2VhMDE5MWZjYjU5MTRiNTpoOkY> > > > > I am seeking endorsers for this ballot. > > > > Thank you! > > Aaron > >
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