Hi Wendy,

I would definitely go for c) because the documents are overall not standardized 
enough to do any kind of automatic parsing where a) or b) would maybe help.

Rgds
Roman

From: Servercert-wg <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Wendy 
Brown - QT3LB-C via Servercert-wg
Sent: Donnerstag, 9. Mai 2024 16:58
To: Aaron Gable <[email protected]>
Cc: CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List 
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Servercert-wg] Ballot SC-74 - Clarify CP/CPS structure according 
to RFC 3647

OK - then I have a question for all those voting on SC74 (as an Associate 
member rep, I do not have a vote)
How do you interpret the proposed new language:
include at least every section and subsection defined in section 6 of RFC 3647

Does this mean:
a) that the section and subsection headers have to exactly match the text in 
RFC 3647 including its use of capitalization, or
b) just that the words must be the same or
c) you just have to have the same numbering and the title can be slightly 
different as long as it covers the intended content?

Sorry to not have asked this during the discussion period, until I saw the 
output of the linter Aaron prepared, it didn't occur to me that anyone would 
have interpreted it as the capitalization had to match.

thanks,
Wendy

Wendy Brown
Supporting GSA
FPKIMA Technical Liaison
Protiviti Government Services
703-965-2990 (cell)


On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 10:33 AM Aaron Gable 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I think that is a question to be taken up with the authors of SC-74, and with 
the root programs. In the interest of caution, I think this linting tool should 
err on the side of strictness. It is open source, however, so you are of course 
free to modify it for your own preferences.

Aaron

On Thu, May 9, 2024, 04:57 Wendy Brown - QT3LB-C 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Aaron -
Can I suggest that maybe the comparison should be done in a case blind fashion?
For example, requiring the headers for the subsections of 1.3 to have the 
second word lower case when it is common practice to refer to Certification 
Authorities as CAs and Registration Authorities as RAs, etc. just makes the 
document inconsistent. I understand the goal is to try to make comparisons 
easier, but requiring all Public Trusted CAs have these style inconsistencies 
in their own documentation seems like a step too far.

thanks,
Wendy

Wendy Brown
Supporting GSA
FPKIMA Technical Liaison
Protiviti Government Services
703-965-2990 (cell)


On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 6:06 PM Aaron Gable via Servercert-wg 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Of course! Done: https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/issues/513

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 8:37 AM Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Thanks Aaron,

Would it be ok for you to create a GitHub 
issue<https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/issues> to identify the specific 
sections that deviate in content? We might tackle that in a cleanup ballot. I 
don't think the capitalization is so much of a concern but if others think it 
is, please speak up :)


Dimitris.
On 8/5/2024 1:19 π.μ., Aaron Gable wrote:
Two notes on this ballot, findings from our process for handling upcoming 
requirements:

1) Let's Encrypt has created and open-sourced a 
tool<https://github.com/letsencrypt/cp-cps/tree/d5b258a/tools/lint> for linting 
a CPS to confirm compliance with RFC 3647 Section 6 and Ballot SC-074. If you 
maintain your CPS document in markdown, it should be very simple to use or 
adapt to your particular situation.

2) The Baseline Requirements themselves do not quite comply with RFC 3647 
Section 6, with several section titles that deviate from that outline in either 
capitalization or actual content.

We hope this information is helpful to others,
Aaron

On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 9:27 AM Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) via 
Servercert-wg <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> 
wrote:


SC-74 - Clarify CP/CPS structure according to RFC 3647
Summary

The TLS Baseline Requirements require in section 2.2 that:

"The Certificate Policy and/or Certification Practice Statement MUST be 
structured in accordance with RFC 3647 and MUST include all material required 
by RFC 3647."

The intent of this language was to ensure that all CAs' CP and/or CPS documents 
contain a similar structure, making it easier to review and compare against the 
BRs. However, there was some ambiguity as to the actual structure that CAs 
should follow. After several discussions in the SCWG Public Mailing 
List<https://lists.cabforum.org/pipermail/servercert-wg/2023-November/004070.html>
 and F2F meetings, it was agreed that more clarity should be added to the 
existing requirement, pointing to the outline described in section 6 of RFC 
3647.
The following motion has been proposed by Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) and 
endorsed by Aaron Poulsen (Amazon) and Tim Hollebeek (Digicert).

You can view the github pull request representing this ballot 
here<https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/pull/503>.

Motion Begins

MODIFY the "Baseline Requirements for the Issuance and Management of 
Publicly-Trusted TLS Server Certificates" based on Version 2.0.4 as specified 
in the following redline:

  *   
https://github.com/cabforum/servercert/compare/c4a34fe2292022e0a04ba66b5a85df75907ac2a2...f6a90e2a652fbb7a2d62a976b70f4af3adce8dae

Motion Ends

This ballot proposes a Final Maintenance Guideline. The procedure for approval 
of this ballot is as follows:

Discussion (at least 7 days)

  *   Start time: 2024-04-25 16:30:00 UTC
  *   End time: on or after 2024-05-02 16:30:00 UTC

Vote for approval (7 days)

  *   Start time: TBD
  *   End time: TBD

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