Browsing for books on Amazon doesn't require security.. On 30/01/07, Jerry Zhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Are there (ideal) situations where business processes > be conducted without security? If so, activities > related to security are not part of operating core of > a business. Therefore security services separate > business services in the function and purpose. I > don't think security services are support services > (ie. HR functions) either. They belong to functions > of standardization and indoctrination such as IT that > is outsourced by DuPont. So we have four types of > services? > > Business service > Technical service > Support service > Indoctrination service
:) I like the last one. > > jerry > > > --- Anne Thomas Manes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Let's say for example that the government just > > passed a mandate that > > financial companies must now implement 2-factor > > authentication for certain > > types of transactions. (and it did) There is now a > > business requirement to > > support 2-factor authentication. Hence security is a > > business service. > > > > Anne > > > > On 1/29/07, Steve Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > But is it a business service or a support > > service? I don't think anyone > > > would doubt that security is required, but I'd > > argue that the purpose is > > > never security that is just a pre-req for going > > live. > > > > > > So I'd agree that its a service, just not that its > > a business service. > > > Security isn't so much the basis for trust as the > > representation of trust > > > once agreed, i.e. I've decided that I require a > > secure connection to put > > > in credit card details, therefore you must support > > HTTPS if you want me to > > > give you those details over the web. Its > > important in SOA to realise those > > > services which are support and those which are > > actually business important > > > in themselves. There is a huge history in IT of > > rating the support (IT) > > > service above the business ones so for instance > > "security" becomes more > > > important than actually getting the job done. > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25/01/07, Michael Poulin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Well, to my experience, security is doing A > > LOT for the business ( > > > > http://java. sys-con.com/read/131811.htm, > > http://java. sys-con.com/read/163285.htm). > > > > Besides it is a foundation for the business > > trust, I had several cases where > > > > business simply could not operate w/o security. > > Here is an example: > > > > financial report distributed among investment > > experts contains some > > > > information which is assumed to be seen by the > > bankers of certain level of > > > > responsibilities and in certain locations only. > > Are you going to create > > > > multiple reports or filter data based on user > > access rights / entitlement? > > > > Though security topic does not belong to the > > forum, I believe it is a > > > > legitimate SOA service and I still staying on > > the position about SOA > > > > services I described earlier. > > > > > > > > - Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Jim Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > > > > > > > I still disagree although I admit it's a bit of > > a nit. The security > > > > service has nothing to do with business at all. > > The dependency flows > > > > in the other direction. Supposing the security > > service is used in a > > > > purely scientific system then "business" seems a > > misnomer. > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > [email protected]<service-orientated-architecture%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > Michael > > > > Poulin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I think that creation of 'generic' > > (infrastructure - in my > > > > understanding) services does not contradict > > 'business-centric' > > > > definition because, e.g., security service is > > not about generic or > > > > abstract safety but about protecting business > > interests (scientific > > > > results, in particular) and building business > > trust; transport > > > > services serve the same purpose - allowing > > business to operate. Not > > > > all services have to implement business services > > directly but > > > > those, that do not implement them, exist because > > of the needs of the > > > > business services, not because they are coooool. > > All this is about > > > > money paid by a business for its benefits. > > Please, tell me if I am > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > - Michael > > > > > > > > > > Jim Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: I would > > > > rather see: > > > > > > > > > > "SOA is a software design paradigm..." > > > > > > > > > > rather than: > > > > > > > > > > "SOA is a business centric software design > > paradigm" > > > > > > > > > > for two reasons. Firstly there are many > > wishing to use SOA in > > > > other > > > > > environments such as scientific and although > > they will put up with > > > > > these categorizations they see them as > > inaccurate. > > > > > > > > > > Secondly, the are also many developing generic > > services ( e.g. > > > > > security, transport, transaction, etc.) that > > they really see as > > > > being > > > > > used by the business services but not business > > services. > > > > > > > > > > Also, by removing "business centric" from that > > statement I don't > > > > see > > > > > any cases being eliminated either. > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > [email protected]<service-orientated-architecture%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > "Selwyn > > > > > Akintola" <selwyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Back in November as part of my MSc. research > > I posed the > > > > > > question "What is SOA?". The objective was > > to derive a > > > > definition of > > > > > > SOA that I could use to inform the rest of > > my studied. Since > > > > then I > > > > > > have received approximately 50 definitions > > of SOA from various > > > > > > sources including from members of this > > group. First off let me > > > > thank > > > > > > you all for the valuable and insightful > > input. When I asked the > > > > > > question I also committed to being my > > definition of SOA back to > > > > this > > > > > > group. Her it goes – SOA in less than 100 > > words- > > > > > > > > > > > > "SOA is a business centric software design > > paradigm > > > > characterised by > > > > > > the utilisation of well defined standards > > and protocols to > > > > create > > > > > > services and compose applications from > > services. SOA mandates > > > > that > > > > > > services are loosely coupled and communicate > > through the > > > > exchange of > > > > > > messages thereby allowing resource sharing > > and reuse. > > > > > > Interoperability and platform independence > > allow the > > > > composition of > > > > > > applications from services created using > > heterogeneous > > > > resources and > > > > > > hosted on heterogeneous technology > > platforms. SOA is a long > > > > term > > > > > > organization wide cross functional > > collaborative activity whose > > > > ROI > > > > > > will be achieved by service reuse and > > efficiencies gained by > > > > better > > > > > > alignment IT with business." > > > === message truncated === > > __________________________________________________________ > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL > > > Yahoo! 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