2008/5/25 Nick Gall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Steve Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> The Web is delivering on every aspiration of SOA? Come on lets not >> run ahead of ourselves here.... >> >> The REST group does indeed focus on the technical design of systems >> where this group has tended to focus on architecture. Now most of the >> problem I face are in large scale enterprises where the detail of >> technical implementation is rarely the issue, its all about the human >> aspects and how people and companies are organised to deliver complex >> systems effectively over an extended period of time. >> >> I find it interesting that back in 2003 most SOA groups talked about >> Web Services and technical implementation and now 5 years on we are >> talking about the harder problems of organisational and cultural >> change, while REST is back again at the way to build a better wheel. >> >> The on going problem of IT is that people continue to think that a >> technology will deliver a massive step change in the success, >> maintainability and evolution of IT estates. Don't you find it >> depressing? I do. > > What I find depressing is the gap between the success of the Web and > the failure of traditional enterprise integration projects with an SOA > label slapped on them.
The success of the "Web" in B2B and M2M integration isn't exactly something I'm bumping into on a regular basis either. Traditional EAI is NOT SOA. Lobbing a label on something does not making it that thing (unless you want to go into french philosophy). People do indeed lob that name on the wrong thing, just as people are lobbing REST onto POX in equal error. The Web (in terms of REST) has not been massively successful in B2B/M2M in fact given people say its been around since 2000 its been an abject failure in comparison to other Internet based communication mechanisms. Steve > > -- Nick >
