2008/7/28 Nick Gall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 6:38 AM, Steve Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It works, why would you "upgrade" something that works? >> >> If Google is such a big fan of REST you'd have thought they'd have >> stopped using the google file system and use REST instead. >> >> If something works why would you change it? > > Hmmm... Because something else works better enough to justify the change?
Yup... > > Let's keep this discussion focused if we can. It started with Tim > Bray's assertion that the SOAP stack is a failure. Anne responded that > SOAP is still being used in some large enterprises. I responded that > at least one of those large enterprises, Wal-Mart, was also using POX. But not moving away from SOAP, nor towards REST (Bray's assumption) after all REST is 8 years old so surely they'd be lots of these people using it.... > > So if you have an example of another enterprise sticking with SOAP, or > newly embracing SOAP, that would be relevant. Citing GFS, which uses > NEITHER, either irrelevant, or supports the position that in yet > another example, SOAP is not being used. Nor is REST. What it is says is that different tools are used in different places. Google are put forward as big REST (not SOAP) proponents and I was just demonstrating how sensible companies use different approaches, this doesn't mean on approach is wrong and another is right but that different things are appropriate in different areas. Walmart's use of POX, but using formal schemas, is an example of this. > > This particular thread is not about whether REST is suitable for all > purposes today -- no one ever claimed it was. It's about whether the > SOAP stack is indeed failing. And my point was that it would be nuts to claim that because one part of a large company had chosen to use a different technology (particularly one with the heritage quoted) can't be used to indicate anything much. Steve > > -- Nick > > Nick Gall > Phone: +1.781.608.5871 > AOL IM: Nicholas Gall > Yahoo IM: nick_gall_1117 > MSN IM: (same as email) > Google Talk: (same as email) > Email: nick.gall AT-SIGN gmail DOT com > Weblog: http://ironick.typepad.com/ironick/ > Furl: http://www.furl.net/members/ngall >
