Cool ... you are a $100,000 site that will take $1,000,000 to implement.
If your page layup people can't be bothered to learn a wee bit of scripting,
then you will have all sorts of design problems anyways ... I guess that
leaves me wondering why small teams can produce and such large teams
struggle.
I don't think any of the solutions I've seen, where proposed or created by
full "lone-rangers" so I'd say that's a poor comment.
Thor HW
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From: Shad J. Aumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: out.println(".....");? "EASY is the word!!!"
> These comments are not entirely accurate. Some important development team
> synergy issues have been ignored.
>
> Imagine, if you can, that you are not the "lone ranger" of your teeny-tiny
> little web development group. Consider a large, technically diverse
> development team. Got it? Are you imagining this? (Hint: There are
> architects, designers, QA engineers, GUI designers, OO programmers, unit
> testers, CM engineers, and many others.)
>
> Having the people on your team who just know how to use FrontPage,
> DreamWeaver, etc. to do web-based GUIs do anything at all with JSP is just
> not feasible. That's right, your team is large and diverse enough that
> there are some GUI-only people who do not know about or care about Java.
> (Shock, horror, but also the way it goes on real teams.) Oh, and here's
the
> kicker - the Java middleware programmers do not care about the GUI
> implementation!
>
> Having the web-based GUI team members simply place marker tags (we use a
> specially formatted HTML comment) in their GUI templates where the servlet
> should dynamically inline data at runtime (yes, a lot like JSP, but the
> distinction is important) is perfectly reasonable.
>
> >From a team workflow/responsibility standpoint, JSP is a horrible
conflict.
> Why should web-based GUI people care about JSP? Why should Java
middleware
> people have to touch the web-based GUIs to add JSP? Ick.
>
> The situation reminds me of back when client/server first became popular
and
> the 4GL developers learned they could embed the SQL within the client.
DBAs
> sat idle (instead of writing stored procedures, like they should have
been)
> while the client-side developers inserted horrible SQL into their 4GL
> implementations... but I digress. ;-)
>
> I will not even touch upon the performance issues of JSP versus other
forms
> of servlet-based data inlining into an HTML GUI template...
>
> Shad
>
> --
> Shad J. Aumann
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> > API Technology. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Peter
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 9:19 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: out.println(".....");? "EASY is the word!!!"
> >
> >
> > >You are re-inventing jsp...
> > >
> > >--Olu E.
> >
> >
> > My thoughts exactly :)
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