Jon,

Thanks for the additional points aobut ECS. I didn't know it was an
implementation of htmlKona... I've looked at Turbine, and it definitely
sounds interesting. Again, it's not really something I'm interested in, but
it seems to be pretty well thought out and useful...

Kito D. Mann
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on 1/25/00 9:02 AM, Kito Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It's one thing to make a constructive comment about a prouct, but no one
> asked for your attitude about a product that you've never even used. You
> may not have noticed, but the people at Apache aren't stupid, and
> generally all of their products exist because someone with real-world
> experience and skills needs it.

Thanks. ;-) Also, please note that ECS is not a product idea that we came
up
with, we just implemented it. ECS is an open source implementation of a
commercial product, BEA/Weblogic's htmlKona product, which will run you
about $10k to use. The idea isn't original at all and is also discussed in
Jason Hunter's servlet book.

> I personally am a big fan of separating presentation from programming
logic
> cleanly, but that doesn't give me the right to judge products which
> don't do this, and it doesn't mean that the separation is best for _all_
> situations.

The Turbine project is a very good example of how you can use ECS and still
separate presentation from logic. Intelligent design at work. ;-)

<http://java.apache.org/turbine/>

-jon

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