Well if we can drum up some support from others we can pool our resources
and come up with an acceptable solution.
I will definitely put my hand up for it.
I have no experience in Project Management ... if someone out there has and
is willing to take this on we can get started.
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Bass [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: None
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: 2 Cents Worth: 2 solutions
>
> Tim,
>
> Hey! I agree,the Microsoft crowd is raging war against the open
> systems based middleware. It does not do Java or anyone any good
> if the lists are fighting about newbies vs. gurus, etc. The
> way I see it, a active list is a good thing, means people care
> and are interested. We are all newbies, until we become experts,
> when when we are bored, we become newbies again.
>
> The problem, as I see it, is that many people are in a hurry and
> forget to take the time to read faqs, do searches, etc. Then,
> after the get their feet wet, they go back and start to read,
> if they like it. There will always be newbies.
>
> What can I do to help?
> -Tim
>
>
> >
> > Hey Tim,
> > I agree with your comments,
> > maybe we should look at putting together an archive list "search engine"
> > that can be accessed by the newer users on the web...
> > I don't think it would be to difficult a task ( I don't actually know if
> > this has been done).
> > Maybe others will think it is too much trouble to go to for the sake of
> > increasing the knowledge base of an industry that ... lets face it ...
> are
> > behind the eight ball.
> > I think the newbies are the life blood of something (I'm not sure what
> > exactly) that is emerging from this internet paradigm.
> > I have been trying to get the management team of my org. to put
> resources
> > into Java Technology but they are reluctant because they are scared of
> the
> > unknown. I think this is the biggest problem with the Microsoft
> dominated
> > industry.
> > I am not wanting to sound righteous ... please nail me with critisisms
> my
> > fellow keyboard jockeys ... it will only help to fuel some change.
> > ( egad ..i sound like the dude off braveheart)
> > Cheers
> > Tim Brassel
> > IS Division
> > Ergon Energy
> > Townsville Australia
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Tim Bass [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 10:41 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: 2 Cents Worth: 2 solutions
> > >
> > > Might be helpful to keep in mind that 'expert and gurus'
> > > in all technical fields started out as 'rookies asking
> > > stupid questions.' It is that 'rookie of today asking
> > > a stupidish question' that very well may become the
> > > super expert of tomorrow.
> > >
> > > Being a true expert is ones field encompasses the difficult skill of
> > > patience and the ability to transmit
> > > knowledge to people 'slightly behind the power curve'.
> > >
> > > Java and the entire Java community benefits from working
> > > as a team, experts and novices, for the benefit of
> > > everyone, regardless on the current technical level.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, novices should try to read as much
> > > documentation as possible and do their homework to
> > > ease the work load (and frustration level) of their
> > > more advanced counterparts.
> > >
> > > Finest Regards, Tim
> > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: A mailing list for discussion about Sun Microsystem's Java
> Servlet
> > > >API Technology. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Nic
> > > >Ferrier
> > > >Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 7:51 AM
> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >Subject: Re: 2 Cents Worth: 2 solutions
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>>> Greg Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 25-Aug-00 9:21:51 AM >>>
> > > >>I can think of two solutions:
> > > >>1. everybody should search the archive before they post a
> > > >>question. Newbie questions are only annoying when they get
> > > >>repeated every day. (This is probably wishful thinking)
> > > >
> > > >>2. Sun should make a 2 lists [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >>and [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just give us the
> > > >>opportunity to make self selection. This would only take someone
> > > >>at Sun a few minutes to realize.
> > > >
> > > >Perhaps you should have checked the archives.
> > > >
> > > >Sun already have an adavanced-webapp list... and there is an
> > > >advanced-servlets list at egroups.com
> > > >([EMAIL PROTECTED]).
> > > >
> > > >Anyway... that doesn't solve the problem. The idiot posters would
> > > >just all join the expert list because that is where the experts who
> > > >can answer the questions are.
> > > >
> > > >The point is that some people think it's their *right* to ask stupid
> > > >questions and get an answer.
> > > >
> > > >I would say that's true, IF you pay for the priviledge, or at least
> > > >if the person answering gets paid for having answered.
> > > >
> > > >We, the experts who answer questions here, don't get paid by Sun. Sun
> > > >benefit directly from this list and our expertise. And yet Sun do
> > > >nothing to make this list less troublesome.
> > > >
> > > >I'm getting pretty pissed off with that.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Nic
> > > >
> > >
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