This thread is off-topic! :)

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From: Steven Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Subject: Re: not concerned with servlets


Folks,

     Okay, first let's unscramble the included text to make sure we have
a clean sequence of events.  I hope I haven't screwed up the attribution
in the process.

Srini Sathya wrote:
> > > and more importantly no title as "Off-topic" which is MANDATORY FOR
> > > OFF-TOPIC QUESTION!!!

Christopher K. St. John wrote:
> >  Well, technically, you aren't supposed to post
> >off-topic questions at all, with or without an
> >"off-topic" in the subject line.
> >
> >  Announcing that you're about to do something
> >impolite doesn't somehow magically make it ok
> >to be impolite...

Den Kooza wrote:
> can u guyz mind ur own buziness and carry on with ur work.
> just discard the message like the rest do. its getting much.

Stephen Casey wrote:
> I agree. It takes more time to constantly reply with, 'check the
> archives' or, 'this is off-topic' than to just delete the email. It
> only seems to be the same handful of people complaining.


Michael Bjerregarrd Pedersen wrote:
> Well, it actually is our own business as we are forced to either
> sign-off the list or read every fucking question that has nothing to
> do with the list before discarding it, and then spend time deleting
> 10 or 15 answers that are equally uninteresting.

Jon Conley asks:
> Is the cursing really necessary? If I hated off-topic email that
> much, I would unsubscribe.


To Stephen Casey:

     More time?  That depends on whether you have:

     a short-term, destructively-heedless-of-the-consequences-of-
your-actions point of view where your immediate investment of time
and energy is all that matters (like, say, not looking in the archive
before posting a question, or posting an off-topic question instead of
taking the time to find an appropriate forum),

     or

     a longer-term view that recognizes that the health of the
servlets-interest community is part of what makes it so useful, and
that posting off-topic questions or questions that have been discussed
a thousand times in the archive destroys that sense of community by
making it impossible for people to participate.

     The latter point of view recognizes that the investment of a
little time and energy to discourage off-topic posts will result
SAVING TIME if it discourages further off-topic posts.


As to Jon Conley's comment on the necessity of cursing:

     I'm sure it's not necessary, but it probably felt good.  I've
felt like cursing quite a few times.  The off-topic posts are annoying
to begin with.  Maybe more than annoying; I think they're well on
their way to destroying this list; I know I don't participate nearly
as much as I used to, out of sheer fatigue; by the time I get finished
sifting through the crust, I don't have any energy left to post
answers.  For Michael, to then be told to "mind ur own buziness" when
he tried to discourage off-topic posts must be quite frustrating; new
heights of obnoxiousness on the part of the off-topic posters.

     Frankly, I applaud his restraint in using only one swear word.

Steven J. Owens
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