On Fri, 11 May 2001, Kevin Mukhar wrote:
> Milt Epstein wrote:
> >
> > This was posted on the tomcat-user mailing list.
> >
> > Subject: Call for Votes: comp.lang.java.{server-side,servlet}
> >
> > This message is being posted here (and to other places where
> > servlets are discussed) because there is a Call For Votes (CFV) on
> > the news.announce.newgroups Usenet newsgroup concerning the proposal
> > of two new Java newsgroups:
> >
> > comp.lang.java.servlet
> > comp.lang.java.server-side
>
> Have there been any discussions on the merits of these groups? If
> so, where could those discussions be found?
>
> Even though I voted YES the last time this was proposed, I have two
> concerns:
>
> 1 - This mailing list exists for servlets. While a mailing list is
> not the same as a newsgroup, the point is that there is already a
> forum for this topic
> 2 - The groups are unmoderated. After seeing what this unmoderated
> mailing list is like, I feel this is an important issue.
I'd suggest checking news.announce.newgroups and news.groups. I
believe the latter is where such discussion is supposed to take
place. And a lot of it has already taken place. Don't know how
familiar you are with the newsgroup creation process, but (for the
major hierarchies -- "The Big Eight", I think they're called) first
there's a RFD ("Request For Discussion") or two where such things are
discussed, and only after things have been hashed out sufficiently is
a CFV ("Call For Votes") sent out. I believe the proponent (the
person proposing the group addition/changes) posted here about the RFD
some time back. (This is a rough overview of the newsgroup creation
process, I might not have it 100% accurate.) I'm not sure, it might
be too late to start new discussion about it.
You can use google to check the archives of news.groups. (They have
the entire former Dejanews archive up now, and it's great!). I
suggest using their Advanced Groups Search page at:
http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
Looks like the RFD was out in March and April of this year.
FWIW, I don't see the two things you mention as issues. First, there
are plenty of cases where a mailing list overlaps with a newsgroup.
Second, moderation, high volume, and off-topic, basic questions aren't
as important for newsgroups because the whole dynamic is different --
the audience, how you read them, the expectations, etc. For example,
you won't have all the messages coming to your mailbox, and you can
pick and choose which ones to read, at your leisure.
Milt Epstein
Research Programmer
Software/Systems Development Group
Computing and Communications Services Office (CCSO)
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)
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