I do admire your comments, however, as a programmer, if C# is as elegant as
they're boasting then it will be a tough choice for me.  Aside from all
other factors, currently, the biggest reason why I prefer using Java over
C++ is because it's simpler to code most processes, the OO principles I
think are better implemented and understood, threading is easier, and it
allows you to focus more on pure logic i.e. less on syntax, code structure,
mem. clean up, etc.  So if C# happens to be like this and a few more perks
then I'm going to be stuck between a rock and a hard place so to speak... so
we'll have to see what's in store for us.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Duffy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 6:28 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: So long, Java! How Sun screwed itself by suing Microsoft


This has been an interesting thread (not exactly related to
servlets).

Here's a prediction that I think will come true within the next ten
years: Linux and Java will cripple Microsoft to the point where every
technology analyst will be asking the question, "Can Microsoft
reinvent itself and prevent its own extinction?"

In the lesser-developed countries, Linux is gaining prominence for
the simple reason that it is free.  Several major LDC governments
have adopted Linux to save money.  Once the governments in the
developed countries start adopting Linux, Microsoft will start its
downhill slide.  Can you guess what per cent of software revenue
comes from government sources?  The answer is 70% to 80%.

Java is cool and will prevail because it makes programmers more
efficient and software more reliable and easier to maintain.  "Write
once run anywhere" is just an additional benefit.

Java has been knocked for performance, but that is about to change.
The new Java I/O API will enable Java developers to cache and access
memory directly, just like c++.  This API, along with the memory
management and multi-threading capabilities of Linux (capabilities
that far exceed anything in Windows) will enable Java developers to
create programs that run entirely in memory.  In the near future,
systems will have terra-bytes of memory.  System performance will
improve by several orders of magnitude.

If you are having any doubts about Java, let them go.  Java is the
future.

Mike


--- "Miller, Brent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Java's strength is on the server-side.  Not since the Java 1.1 days
> has
> applets had any real popularity.  Even the most die-hard Java
> programmer
> will tell you applets are dead.  The real question concerning the
> battle
> between Sun and MS is not about client-side internet apps but who
> will win
> the back-end distributed-computing fight....Java J2EE vs. .NET.
> Java is
> definitly out on the lead with this one--for now anyways.  Also
> don't forget
> that Sun also has J2ME for cell phones, pda's and other embedded
> devices.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Milt Epstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 10:31 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: So long, Java! How Sun screwed itself by suing
> Microsoft
>
>
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Thompson, Willard (GTICCC) wrote:
>
> >
>
http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/stories/story/0,10738,2791052,00.html
>
> This is stupid.  Sun/Java is no worse off than if Sun hadn't sued
> Microsoft.  If they hadn't, Microsoft wouldn't have done Java
> right,
> so it would've been working against Sun/Java anyway.  Better Sun
> sue
> than just sit back and take it.  I don't think Java will die (as
> others have said, it can be used server-side regardless), but to
> achieve the prominence originally conceived, it will take a
> combination of PR, and pressure from hardware vendors, software
> developers, and end users to make things as easy/available as
> possible
> -- inertia is a hard thing to battle, and Microsoft has the power
> to
> make sure it is always on their side.
>
> The guy does have a point that Sun/Java never quite delivered on
> some
> of its promises though.
>
> Milt Epstein
> Research Programmer
> Software/Systems Development Group
> Computing and Communications Services Office (CCSO)
> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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