So now we agree, the eco-system is more than just java. It would be great to have multiple implementations of Shindig, as has started with the PHP work, and where they need a build system they use whatever is the most appropriate. Hopefully being an unbiased eco system, some would evolve and grow and some will die. I guess all depend on who wants to do the work, and who wants to use the outputs. Surely that will drive what happens here ?

As a potential consumer of Shindig outputs, all I need is that it runs well on Linux/BSD and talks over http.

When you say life outside java being fresher.... which language were you thinking of?
Ian



On 27 Apr 2008, at 20:01, Santiago Gala wrote:

The reason why I'm bitching is not so much trying to get rid of maven
here but try to open the eyes and minds of "world is java" developers
to the fact that there is life outside java and that, increasingly as
the java ecosystem freezes and ossifies, life outside java is fresher
and evolving faster. No radical changes will work here, but to start
moving such a big inertia requires a high amount of thrust and bashing
;-) And it seems like pushing in this direction is the only healthy
behavior against lock-in, much like pushing for linux/BSD and against
windows was the way to go in from 1995 onwards. For the health of the
global computing environment. I might be wrong, of course.

Regards
Santiago

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