On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 09:25:42AM +0100, Sebastiaan Besselsen wrote:
> I really think Shoes is fine the way it is with respect to margins. If you 
> want a padding, just throw in a flow with a margin. It seems natural to me.
> 
> This still leaves the problem that the coordinates in the inner box are 
> different from those of the background.

Oh, no, wait, we're okay.  The problem of backgrounds (and borders) having
a different origin from other elements only comes up if I introduce
padding.  But if everyone's voting to stay out of padding, then
we're okay.

I'm going to ditch the idea of the `pad` element.  I had a dream
about it and my subconscious made some good points against it.
Like: how do you handle padding used only on half the elements?
Are they in their own box then?  And the dream predicted that people
would use them with negative numbers, to backtrack.  I think that
was a bit of fud, but still, my subliminal hacker makes better
decisions than I do.

_why

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