I was about to compliment you on your first post. You made what I thought were some very good points about cog that I hadn't thought of. It made sense to me, especially if what you said were true about the cog. Tom Wishon says not so on the blade cog. Oh well it sounded good but Tom has played with clubs long enough to make me believe him. Now why go and make a mess out of things by saying the below? Remember, you said IMHO several times. You have just heard some other HO's. Now fess up, you made a mistake. Say you're sorry.
Al
At 01:31 PM 06/15/2002 -0400, you wrote:
Why I'm wasting my breath replying to this I'm not sure... Except that this forum is becomming so full of BS that it's worse than a Harrison shaft Ad.
I guess Tiger, who grew up playing cavity clubs (Pings to be specific - didn't switch to blades until college), who has NO equipment contract for irons (can play whatever he wants) is a plain equipment moron for playing blades.....
More guys who play for their dinner are playing blades today than did 2,3, and 5 years ago. Why are blades more popular now than before, when many of the younger guys were exposed to these, better cavity clubs at a very young age?????
And, upon more thought on the CG issue, I'm convinced that it's gonna be higher in almost every blade compared to EVERY cavity - blades have a much longer hosel and a waaay thinner sole than cavities, both of which would bring the CG up a significant amount. Add the undercut cavities present in a lot of new irons, and I can't see them having a higher CG than a blade......
PK
- -----Original Message-----
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom Flanagan
- Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 1:01 PM
- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Blades
- The most common reasons I've heard over the years from average players using blades are:
- 1. "The guys on TV use them and shoot low numbers with them so that's what will make me a better player."
- 2. "I've had this set of (Staffs, Spaldings, McGregors, Hogans) for years. I only play a couple of times per year so why buy new stuff?"
- 3. "I'm a plus 2 and I need to work the ball. Can't do that with (Pings, Titleists, Callaways, etc.) as well as with blades. (An aside; when I ask; how come Tour players seem to do well with those clubs, hitting hooks and fades, highs and lows? The answer invariably is; well, they're pros.")
- There are other reasons given but these seem to have been the most often heard.
- I played blades for a long time. McGregor Toney Penna TP 64's, Wilson Staffs, and a set of Confidence forged blades. I was at the time handicapped in the 3 - 4 range. I bought a set of used Ping Karsten II's to give to one of my sons. However, after trying them out I kept them for myself. I played better than I ever did with the blades.
- I think that whether a player is a plus 2 or a chop, modern design clubs will serve him much better than would any blade on the market. This is amply shown on the various tours every day. The perception that because Sergio or Jack or whoever is better with blade than he would be with newer, peripheral cast irons is an old wive's tale that should be put to rest.
- TFlan
- ----- Original Message -----
- From: Graham Little
- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 2:32 AM
- Subject: ShopTalk: Blades
- Gentlemen
- I hear this story often. It's easier to "work" the ball with a forged blade. Personally, I've always thought forged irons were overrated. However, I can see some advantages for a better player. ie less off-set (is this the key?), power for on centre shots and being able to adjust loft and lie. I've never been convinced about the "feel" thing. Now, I realise that there's two issue here: ie blades and forgings
- Can some of you better players explain why you think it's easier to work the ball? When they come in to see me I'd like a better explanation than the one I have now
- Thanks
- Graham
