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RK,
Sighhhh..... you're right. Lack of booze must have
driven me out of my mind. For a moment I forgot about the blazing river. In
fact, I hate to say it, Al could be right again when he says I'm not drinking
enough :-( So hi ho it's off to Costco for liquor I
go!!! ;-)
Cub
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Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 5:35
AM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: RE: shoptalk:
Epoxy for LDC Pro's
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OH Yeah I forgot a couple of other things, If Al T. ever gets
an idea he treats it kindly because it's in a strange place.
I still can not believe you agree with Al "CUB" just can not
friggen believe it. I mean "CUB" the guy lives in Cleveland,
you know Cleveland the only city in the "WORLD" that ever, & I mean
"EVER" had a RIVER catch on "FIRE"
RK
-------Original
Message-------
Date: Saturday, July
26, 2003 11:17:02 AM
Subject: Re:
ShopTalk: RE: shoptalk: Epoxy for LDC Pro's
THAT'S IT CUB, Al T has never had original though in his
little head in his entire life ![]() I mean, god,
every time he bends his elbow his mouth opens.
RK
-------Original
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Date: Friday, July
25, 2003 10:31:30 PM
Subject: Re:
ShopTalk: RE: shoptalk: Epoxy for LDC Pro's
I lean toward Al's way of thinking. Does that mean I'm
drinking too much?
;-(
It's breaking a quarter inch above the
hosel. Yep, epoxy up in the shaft can
cause it to break but what
makes me think this isn't it is the statement
"they keep breaking".
That insinuates multiple occurrences. Unless the
clubmaker is an
idiot, I doubt that excess epoxy is a continuing problem.
Surely a
competitor would choose a clubmaker based on good reputation.
The
problem sounds more related to the impact because it is repeated.
I imagine
that the shaft is an ultralight, making Al's theory even
more plausable.
Check the impact on the face with some painter's
tape. If that's not it,
look for excess epoxy in the broken shafts.
If that's still not it, go with
a fiber wound shaft. Of course the
weight goes up but at least it will be
less than
steel.
FWIW
Cub
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent:
Friday, July 25, 2003 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: RE: shoptalk:
Epoxy for LDC Pro's
> I tend to agree with Dave T's
thoughts. In fact, I wonder if some
engineer
> type could do
the math on what kind of force a ball hit would have on the
>
shaft tip at the hozel line. My guess is that an average shaft,
hit
> on the sweet spot, would not break at those speeds. Just a
guess. My
> guess on the breakages is that he is miss hitting the
ball towards the
heel
> and up into the hozel area. At those
speeds the stationary ball makes a
> great fulcrum for the shaft
to snap around. Just my experience from days
> gone
by.
>
> Al
>
>
>
> At 05:15 PM
7/25/2003, you wrote:
> >Well it might be -- but that's not my
favorite theory, at least in part
> >because I can't think of a
reason that a torsionally stiffer shaft should
> >be less
likely to break in torsion. Now if it were a torsionally
STRONGER
> >shaft...
> >
> >Which brings us
to...
> >Let's think about how Harrison is likely to get that
very torsionally
> >stiff shaft. Since most of the twist is in
the small-diameter tip, they
> >probably really beef up the
tip. So there's a lot of reinforcement in the
> >tip. Sure,
that reduces the twist, but it also makes the tip section
a
lot
> >stronger. That's added strength where he's breaking
it.
> >
> >So a low-torsion shaft (or at least MOST
low-torsion shafts) will
probably
> >do the trick for you.
But it's not necessarily because of the torsional
> >stiffness,
nor because the failure is in torsion (though it may be). It's
>
>because the way to make a shaft torsionally stiff is to make the tip
very
> >strong and stable overall.
> >
>
>Cheers!
> >DaveT
> >
> >At 03:52 PM
7/25/03 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> >>He had a Harrison 1.8 in 1 of his drivers and it
lasted longer then the
> >>Harrison 2.5's that he prefers.
It very well could be torsional stress
that
> >>is
causing all the breaking.
> >>
> >>-----Original
Message-----
> >>From: Dave Tutelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
>>Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 2:36 PM
> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Epoxy for LDC Pro's
>
>>
> >>
> >>At 09:34 AM 7/25/03 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> >> >...He has a swing
> >> >speed
of 152 mph and has to carry a persimmon, steel shafted drive
in
his
> >> >bag incase he breaks both long drivers he
has in the bag. I would
assume
> >> >he's SOL until he
finds a shaft with enough torque to keep the shaft
from
>
>> >breaking, but not too much torque where it effects his ball
flight.
> >>
> >>I guess I'm having trouble
understanding this, though it may be OK. My
>
>>questions:
> >>
> >>(1) What do you mean
by "enough torque"? It sounds like you mean a shaft
> >>with
a "torque" rating higher than some number (like 3.5 degrees),
but
I'm
> >>not sure.
> >>
>
>>(2) If that's what you mean by "enough torque", why should that
have
> >>anything to do with breaking shafts? My own
reasoning would be:
> >> - Maybe the shafts are breaking
from torsion stress and maybe not.
> >>Bending stress?
Shearing stress? I suspect both are at least as likely
as
>
>>torsional stress.
> >> - Even if it is torsional
stress, I'd expect that torsional
STRENGTH,
> >>not
torsional FLEXIBILITY, would be the key. Why would you
expect
torsional
> >>flexibility to prevent
breakage?
> >>
> >>Thanks,
>
>>DaveT
>
>>
>
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